[COM] Rundle Mall Redevelopment | $30m

[stronic]

No wonder Adelaide has a reputation as a rust bucket city. Nothing gets done and when it does get done, it's at a snail's pace. The pole is freaking awful, but everyone else can see that too.

[AdelaideGold]

No wonder Adelaide has a reputation as a rust bucket city. Nothing gets done and when it does get done, it's at a snail's pace. The pole is freaking awful, but everyone else can see that too.

Who says that? I'm in Sydney and and haven't heard that one before. Usual small, slow pace but overall people actually like it. Rather than checking for updates on a couple of wires and lights just enjoy life yeah

[Waewick]

No wonder Adelaide has a reputation as a rust bucket city. Nothing gets done and when it does get done, it's at a snail's pace. The pole is freaking awful, but everyone else can see that too.

rust bucket has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

[Nathan]

Could it be that, quietly, they've been spending the time since the poles went in putting up the mounts on the buildings? I noticed quiet a lot of them today, but you have to be looking for them.

[Ben]

Could it be that, quietly, they've been spending the time since the poles went in putting up the mounts on the buildings? I noticed quiet a lot of them today, but you have to be looking for them.

Crazy thought I know and I'll probably be arrested for these kind of thoughts, but why weren't the lighting building mounts being installed 2 years ago while the mall upgrade was happening simultaneously? Are we only able to do one thing at a time?

[SRW]

Could it be that, quietly, they've been spending the time since the poles went in putting up the mounts on the buildings? I noticed quiet a lot of them today, but you have to be looking for them.

Crazy thought I know and I'll probably be arrested for these kind of thoughts, but why weren't the lighting building mounts being installed 2 years ago while the mall upgrade was happening simultaneously? Are we only able to do one thing at a time?

Ongoing negotiations with building owners, I'd gather.

[[Shuz]]

Then if that's the case - I wouldn't be surprised, if in the end all the building owners agree and we're right back where we started - just with... four ugly tower poles in the Mall.

[metro]

Then if that's the case - I wouldn't be surprised, if in the end all the building owners agree and we're right back where we started - just with... four ugly tower poles in the Mall.

at least it's not as bad as the hundreds of poles lining both sides of the Gawler railway line which won't be used for ~10 years.

Hopefully they manage to get the original lighting plan completed in the Mall and then remove the 'Dalek' poles from the mall and perhaps put them somewhere else in the city.

[monotonehell]

How do you guys come up with this stuff?

As discussed earlier in this thread:
1. When the Mall redesign was developed, the idea of no-pole catenary lighting was put forward. All the building owners agreed in principle with having the brackets attached to the buildings.
2. The development went ahead.
3. When it came time to install the brackets, some of the building owners changed their minds.
4. The combo pole and bracket redesign was developed and fabrication occurred offsite.
5. (Ugly dalek) poles have been installed.
6. Brackets are being installed.
7. Wires and lights are next.

There are no renegotiations with the recalcitrant building owners going on.

[Ben]

Still begs the question why 2 and a half years have passed since commencement and there is still no lighting. There is a problem somewhere.

[monotonehell]

Still begs the question why 2 and a half years have passed since commencement and there is still no lighting. There is a problem somewhere.

See my post above and read it as a time line. Apply a moderate amount of cynicism and you will soon see how things take time.

[Ben]

Still begs the question why 2 and a half years have passed since commencement and there is still no lighting. There is a problem somewhere.

See my post above and read it as a time line. Apply a moderate amount of cynicism and you will soon see how things take time.

I see it, but its not good enough. I fail to see any other Australian mall or international mall without lighting for 2 and half years, except maybe downtown Baghdad. It's simply not good enough. It is embarrassing no matter how the council or project managers try to justify it. I mean why has it taken 2 months to put up brackets since the poles went up and why did it take over 2 years for the poles to go up... It's just excuses there is no logicial explanation.... I could have put the brackets up myself over 2 nights.... led alone with a team to help me.

[Llessur2002]

Obviously I'm not a lighting bracket expert but...

I work in one of the buildings which has had the brackets attached – far in advance of installation a team of about 5 engineers turned up in the building and spoke at length about how/where the bracket was to be attached in terms of the building’s structure. This was one bracket in one building. I presume this is just the tip of the iceberg in the planning process as each building (including some heritage) will have completely different methods of attachment depending on its ability to take the load of the lighting system.

If you walk down the mall and look up for the brackets you will see there are various different types in use and each one has been attached in a sympathetic way to the building – for example, in the case of the Rundle Mall Plaza building the brackets have somehow been attached through the marble facade, the same with the cladding on the Woolworths building. It's not just a case of buying a bulk load of brackets from Bunnings and drilling & screwing them onto the front of the building.

Were the system to be installed on a relatively homogenous street of largely identical, modern buildings I imagine the process would be much quicker. In our case I presume there is an in-depth design process for the multitude of brackets attached of a wide range of different buildings which has slowed the process considerably.

If I were a building owner along Rundle Mall I’d be more than happy to host one of the brackets for the new lighting system – providing:

a) the bracket could take the strain from the lighting system without damaging the building over time
2) once installed, the bracket was sympathetic to the facade of the building
d) minimal damage/disturbance to the building was caused by the installation

[how good is he]

I am sure these assurances could/would have been given to building owners which begs the question why did those building owners not allow the brackets to be attached to their buildings? Anyone actually know their reasons (not just guessing)?

[Nathan]

I'll also add that the distribution of loads depends on the positioning of brackets. If some of those brackets that you were originally going to use are no longer an option due to a landlord changing their mind, then there would be a lot of re-engineering needed to re-calculate the distribution.

Maybe we could list out the obvious building owners that have refused. I've not noticed any brackets on the Renaissance building, nor Beehive Corner and the other building opposite (former Darrel Lea). Bible House doesn't have any, and I don't think the UniSA student apartments at the Pulteney St end have them. Buildings <3 stories are exempt because they're not high enough (although they've added braces to the top of the Citi Centre arcade mall facing tenancies).