News & Developments: Bowden TOD

[AG]

The guy who wrote this article is actually my next door neighbour (I kid you not). This article very much reads as a "doom and gloom" sort of article. The CBD does play the role of a TOD to some degree, but to suggest that it should be the only one totally misses the point of why several TODs are proposed in conjunction to one another - just take a lot at how effective the public transport network functions with what really has only one major focal point.

[SRW]

The guy who wrote this article is actually my next door neighbour (I kid you not).

Instruct your dog to relieve itself upon his lawn. It'd be a better accomplishment than that article.

[Aidan]

Does this mean we shouldn't dream anymore

No, but it means we should think about why we dream what we do.

We want development, and we want it to be more transit oriented. But Portland (Oregon) style TODs are not the only way to achieve this objective. And ignoring market requirements means we are setting ourselves up for failure.

I think the whole run down of our history's so called failures are a bit of a farce.
Lets start with the MATS project parts of that did happen eg the south eastern freeway, which i think we are better off with than without.

The South Eastern Freeway is not such a good example because its route is different to what the MATS Plan envisaged. But most of the worthwhile parts of the MATS Plan have been built.

Then there's the MFP, Mawson lakes seems to be doing well it may not be at Gillman or to the original plan, but we are better off having it than not.

It is doing well, but is it doing any better than if they'd decided to subdivide it without involving the MFP?

Elizabeth, Sailsburry they all seem to be evolving quite nicely people do stigmatise these two areas but they are home to thousands of people and its still growing.

His only mention of Salisbury was regarding the location of Elizabeth. Salisbury's doing fine, but Elizabeth never quite managed to shake off the image it gained when it was overreliant on a single industry. And Davoren Park is still Adelaide's most bogan suburb.

To cut my argument short I'm still waiting for West Lakes to sink like it was meant to 20 years ago.

20 years ago I lived in Adelaide, and I don't recall anything about West Lakes sinking.

We need to dream otherwise we lose our ability to be creative.On a more positive note our dreams have lead to consequences so lets build these TOD's let them evolve.

Of course we need to dream, and we need to try out different things to see what people want. But we shouldn't assume Portland style TODs to be the solution - in fact by assuming they are, we risk unfairly discrediting real transit oriented development.

[mattblack]

But we shouldn't assume Portland style TODs to be the solution - in fact by assuming they are, we risk unfairly discrediting real transit oriented development

.

We are assuming no such thing, I have heard of nobody saying that we will build exactly what Portland has. Portland is singled out as having a noteworthy reputation for well intergrated TOD but there are many, many others that have been sudied and analysed by reputable academics and countless postgrade Urban Planning and Urban design students. Adelaides TOD's will develop their own identies as no 2 sites are the same and intergration into the socio economic status of surrounding suburbs will be up to strong government leadership, developers and ultimately land prices.

[fishinajar]

“Given that the Transport House experiment failed, why are we now trying to replicate it with TODS dotted along a tramline between Adelaide and Port Adelaide?”

Though the O-bahn travels adjacent Transport House there is no stop [indeed the O-bahn system is not well suited to having many stops]. Transport House is now destined for apartment living.
How is the replication of TODS [high density residential AND commercial and retail space adjacent mass transit stations comparable to Transport House?

[rhino]

To cut my argument short I'm still waiting for West Lakes to sink like it was meant to 20 years ago.

20 years ago I lived in Adelaide, and I don't recall anything about West Lakes sinking.

When West Lakes was being built, the doom-sayers predicted that it would sink because it was being built on a swamp. Just because they were not engineers, they figured that no-one was. Some years later (about 20 years ago) a few houses started to develope cracks, and the doom-sayers came out again and said the suburb would sink (not sink and disappear, but sink enough to wreck all the houses). To date this has not happened, and, as can be seen in the Metropolitan forum, there are still big buildings getting built at West Lakes.

[ynotsfables]

Does this mean we shouldn't dream anymore

No, but it means we should think about why we dream what we do.

We want development, and we want it to be more transit oriented. But Portland (Oregon) style TODs are not the only way to achieve this objective. And ignoring market requirements means we are setting ourselves up for failure.

I think the whole run down of our history's so called failures are a bit of a farce.
Lets start with the MATS project parts of that did happen eg the south eastern freeway, which i think we are better off with than without.

The South Eastern Freeway is not such a good example because its route is different to what the MATS Plan envisaged. But most of the worthwhile parts of the MATS Plan have been built.

Then there's the MFP, Mawson lakes seems to be doing well it may not be at Gillman or to the original plan, but we are better off having it than not.

It is doing well, but is it doing any better than if they'd decided to subdivide it without involving the MFP?

Elizabeth, Sailsburry they all seem to be evolving quite nicely people do stigmatise these two areas but they are home to thousands of people and its still growing.

His only mention of Salisbury was regarding the location of Elizabeth. Salisbury's doing fine, but Elizabeth never quite managed to shake off the image it gained when it was overreliant on a single industry. And Davoren Park is still Adelaide's most bogan suburb.

To cut my argument short I'm still waiting for West Lakes to sink like it was meant to 20 years ago.

20 years ago I lived in Adelaide, and I don't recall anything about West Lakes sinking.

We need to dream otherwise we lose our ability to be creative.On a more positive note our dreams have lead to consequences so lets build these TOD's let them evolve.

Of course we need to dream, and we need to try out different things to see what people want. But we shouldn't assume Portland style TODs to be the solution - in fact by assuming they are, we risk unfairly discrediting real transit oriented development.

OMG I've been Aidanised.

[The Scooter Guy]

One of the buildings on the site is now being demolished.
http://www.nearmap.com/?q=Clipsal%20Sit ... d=20110123
Demolition pics ASAP!

[shaun]

Not exactly the Bowden Village, but it's in the same area. The whole Hindmarsh/Thebarton area is full of old industrial warehouses so it's ripe for mid-high rise developments.

Inner-west infill plan brewing
http://weekly-times-messenger.whereiliv ... n-brewing/
16 MAR 11 @ 08:50AM BY LIA HARRIS

THEBARTON’S West End brewery and Coca-Cola factory have been earmarked for shops and apartments up to 10 storeys high.

The State Government’s Inner Metro Rim Structure Plan, seen by the Weekly Times Messenger, has identified Port Rd, Thebarton, from the River Torrens to George St, for future mixed-use development up to 10 storeys high.

However, SA Brewing Company corporate affairs director James Taite said the company had no plans to relocate.

“We remain committed to the site and to brewing West End in South Australia,” Mr Taite said.

Mr Taite refused to say whether or not the company had been approached about moving. A Coca-Cola Amatil spokeswoman said the company had invested heavily in its Thebarton site but would consider moving in the future.

“We are aware of the 30-year government plans for greater Adelaide and we are always open to hearing more detail around the plans and discussing what they may mean for the future of our facility,” she said.

The Weekly Times Messenger previously reported that Port Rd at Thebarton had been earmarked for high-density development as part of the Government’s 30-Year Plan for Greater Adelaide.

The plan aims to increase Adelaide’s population by 560,000, build 258,000 extra homes and create 282,000 additional jobs by 2039.

Other major inner-west strips fhtargeted for medium and high- fhdensity housing in the plan include Port Rd, Hindmarsh, Henley Beach Rd, Mile End, South Rd and Torrens Rd, Ridleyton, and Sir Donald rge Bradman Drive and Richmond Rd, Mile End South.

West Torrens CEO Terry Buss said the area had potential for high-density development.

“Port Rd is shown as capable of accepting multi-storey development, but whether the existing businesses will move or not I don’t know,” Mr Buss said.

The State Government would not provide any further details about the plan.

Thebarton Historical Society president Kevin Kaeding said he did not want to see the brewery move out of the area.

“It has been an icon for so many years,” Mr Kaeding said.

“All the older parts of it should be preserved.”

[Waewick]

hmm - do we need to move place of emplyment further away from he places we are trying to get people to live & work?

I'll also add that putting more entances and exits down Port Road is hardly going to improve traffic flow through that particular area.

[Xaragmata]

One of the buildings on the site is now being demolished.
http://www.nearmap.com/?q=Clipsal%20Sit ... d=20110123
Demolition pics ASAP!

From Tuesday - block bounded by Park Tce, Sixth St, Gibson St and Seventh St - community housing already exists between 7th & 8th streets.










More - http://xaragmata.cable.nu/album/adelaid ... _4984.html

[Will]

From the Messenger:

From Bowden pub to sales hub

Local News20 Apr 11 @ 07:08am by Michelle Etheridge



THE former Park View Hotel will be converted to a sales centre and cafe to cater for the 2000-home housing development planned at Bowden.

The State Government’s Land Management Corporation (LMC) has lodged plans to modify the local heritage-listed property on Park Tce, which is being leased by Gerard Corporation as a function centre.

The LMC bought the building in 2008 and chief executive Wayne Gibbings said the lease would expire on July 1. “LMC is planning to fit out the building with a cafe, a project model and a new entry into the display centre from the adjoining carpark along with other minor works such as repainting,” Mr Gibbings said.

He did not disclose the cost of the works, which are expected to be completed in time for the centre to open in September.

The hotel was built just after Federation in 1901.

A transit oriented development (TOD) is planned for the 10 ha former Clipsal site on Park Tce and 6 ha Origin Energy land on Chief St. It will feature high-density housing, shops and offices.

Mr Gibbings said the first land release was scheduled for late this year, and off-the-plan sales to the public would start towards the middle of 2012.

The Park View Hotel project is expected to be assessed by the Department of Planning and Local Government over coming weeks.

[The Scooter Guy]

I've been past this one lots of times, but haven't heard of what it originally used to be until then!

[Wayno]

From AdelaideNow

FINAL approval has been granted for a new transport orientated development at Bowden.

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Premier Mike Rann announced today the State Government will pour more than $264 million into the 16 hectare development on the former Clipsal and Origin sites off Park Tce during the next decade.

The site is expected to generate $1 billion worth of investment before it is complete.

"This development flags the beginning of a major transformation of Adelaide's metropolitan landscape, setting a new national benchmark for higher density community living,'' Mr Rann said.

Once complete, the Bowden Urban Village project will house 2200 dwellings for more than 3500 people.

[The Scooter Guy]

Looks like to me the train is from either Victoria or NSW?