The SA Politics Thread

[dsriggs]

He's a fan of neither party, yet exclusively bashes Labor.

He knows all the ins & outs of what goes on behind closed doors, yet he's an architect.

Strange.

[rev]

He's a fan of neither party, yet exclusively bashes Labor.

Should be noted he stated he would target the Liberals too, when they came to power.
Now, there are several Liberal governments around the country. What's the hold up?
I mention them, because he has also taken aim at interstate Labor governments as well as the federal Labor government.

Victoria - Liberal
New South Wales - Liberal
Western Australia - Liberal
Queensland - Liberal
Northern Territory - Liberal

He had plenty to say about Queenslands Labor party...yet total silence on Queenslands Liberal party, now in government.

But his slander and propaganda seem to be directed toward one party still.
It was a nice way for him at the time to deflect attention about who he really is who he really works for etc, and buy him self more time.

He is a member/staffer of the Liberal party.
Just like on AdelaideNow, where we see such people flooding the comments sections with garbage about Labor, we see him doing the same here.
Bet you he is on other forums too, doing the same.

This is the desperation of a party in turmoil with no direction.
Rather then voting in their most capable leaders, rather then making policies that will make this state 'better', they spend their time trying to wreck the Labor parties credibility and tarnish the image of individuals.
You want to make the state a better place to live, work, educate our young, raise a family etc? Then focus on the right things.

And then they wonder why nobody votes them back into government. The only reason these clowns will get back into government is because people will have had enough of Labor governments and want a change.

[claybro]

Reguardless of the political leanings or indeed "party plant" of the liberals as some here suggest, the information in these posts should be alarming to anyone with a concern of democratic process. Jobs for the boys and union thuggery are alive and well under the current government. If anyone cares to post on the shortcomings of the Liberal party, then they are free to research it and go for it as well.-there is plenty of amunition... As for wrecking Labour policies and tarnishing individuals...oh give us a break. A lazy non politically motivated populace get the politicians they deserve (thus the current rabble in our parliaments).

[rev]

And without knowing who his sources are, we can not determine the validity of his claims in these threads can we? So what's the point of getting worked up and concerned over what amounts to fairy tales?
These are unsubstantiated claims and accusations. Nothing more.

[claybro]

uhm, the poeple are real, the places are real, the names have not been changed. And I am sure our elected senator Wong would not agree that the behind the scenes manipulations by unelected beurocrats and party/union heavyweights are mere fairytales. Best to get these things out in the open, labour, liberal or green lest the sleeping unmotivated masses wake up and find we are in RUSSIA.

[rev]

Pretty sure I specifically said his sources[/i] remain unknown, therefore his stories can not be verified by anyone.

If he is able to bash people so openly and freely, then he shouldn't have a problem naming who his sources are.


Unless he has something to hide.

He rambles on about "faceless men"....yet he him self remains faceless, and he purposely keeps his sources as faceless men to the rest of us.

Therefore he is no better then those he attacks in here.


Still waiting for the criticism on the numerous Liberal party governments around the country, since he said he would do the same to them if they were in government...particularly Queensland since he had so much to say about the previous Labor government there..Of course he wont oblige, because he is part of the Liberal party...

If you want to fall for this guys antics and tricks, without even being able to verify his claims and accusations, then go for it. Hopefully you are intelligent enough not to let his bullshit influence how you vote, and you vote based on what you know and what is verifiable, and not the ranting of some liberal party lunatic who wants to play games on Internet forums.

[claybro]

Hopefully you are intelligent enough not to let his bullshit influence how you vote,

I would have loved to have voted at the last state election, however I was one of the many thousands who on polling day, arrived at station to vote only to find I did not exist on the electoral roll. To add insult to injury I then recieved a please explain from the electoral people asking me to please explain why I did not vote. When I responded with my reason, there were no further questions asked. If you think this is a one off then you would be mistaken because I alone know of 2 other people this happened to. All of us in marginal Liberal seats. Now I am not accusing anyone of fraud, as I can not PROVE it, but if you think I have become very suspicious of what has gone on under labour governments in this country you would be correct. As for dirt on the Liberals, well I only care to comment on this state and federally, so I can only report on the Labour governments, both of which have scraped in on mnorities after some very shady wheeling and dealing. And by the way, given the chance at the next election,I would currently swing toward Labour and only because I think Jay is extremely calm and measured and doing a good job cleaning up a big mess and the liberals have no vision at present.

[rev]

Isn't the Electoral Council independent of political parties/governments?
I'd say that's an issue with them, not the Labor party.

If the Liberals in this state can put up a challenge to Labor, put in some decent people to lead the party and generally appear to be a serious alternative rather then the circus they are now, I, and probably many others, would consider voting for them. But as it stands now there is no viable alternative to Labor. Federally I will not vote for Gillard. I did not vote for her before and I never will. Something about her blatantly lying kind of puts me off. I still don't understand the point of the carbon tax and how it's going to "help" the environment. I see how it's going to help her governments bottom line, after she told the Australian people a government lead by her would not introduce a carbon tax. Kind of how Howard lied about the GST. She needs to go..but federal Liberals aren't any better as an alternative government.

But back to the topic at hand, I think that if SJ is able to post the material he does, he should also be posting who his sources of this information are.
If he can not reveal his sources, rather then dancing around the issue, he should shut up.

The stuff he talks about in here, are important issues. Which is why I think that it is important that it is done so with full transparency. If he can't do that, and continues to refuse to do that, you should be asking your self what he has to hide and why he is so reluctant to be transparent.

He bashes the Labor government and the "faceless men" for their secrecy...well he is no better as long as he continues this little game of his.

[claybro]

Yes the electoral comission is run independant of governments/ parties, but is staffed by public servants. Pubic servants are employed by governments and their conditions are negotiated with unions. Only under Labour do the public servants via the unions and their connections to the Labour party get so much say in the running of government, thus there will always APPEAR to be under labour governments, massive conflicts of interest which distract the government which is currently the case, and unfortunately leaves them wide open to the acusations, founded or otherwise of the likes we read here.
PS with you big time on the carbon money go round (tax) and the oposition shambles.

[monotonehell]

... I did not vote for her before and I never will. Something about her blatantly lying kind of puts me off...

With that attitude you'd never vote for any politician, anytime.

[dsriggs]

Yes the electoral comission is run independant of governments/ parties, but is staffed by public servants. Pubic servants are employed by governments and their conditions are negotiated with unions. Only under Labour do the public servants via the unions and their connections to the Labour party get so much say in the running of government, thus there will always APPEAR to be under labour governments, massive conflicts of interest which distract the government which is currently the case, and unfortunately leaves them wide open to the acusations, founded or otherwise of the likes we read here.
PS with you big time on the carbon money go round (tax) and the oposition shambles.

How would they know you vote Liberal? You don't have to make your party alliegences known to the AEC & your ballot papers aren't named.

[dsriggs]

I also doubt that "many thousands" of people were struck from the electoral roll without more media coverage

[rev]

Yes the electoral comission is run independant of governments/ parties, but is staffed by public servants. Pubic servants are employed by governments and their conditions are negotiated with unions. Only under Labour do the public servants via the unions and their connections to the Labour party get so much say in the running of government, thus there will always APPEAR to be under labour governments, massive conflicts of interest which distract the government which is currently the case, and unfortunately leaves them wide open to the acusations, founded or otherwise of the likes we read here.
PS with you big time on the carbon money go round (tax) and the oposition shambles.

Speculation and rumors do not prove much however. Which is why I keep asking that he provide his sources so those interested can verify for them selves.
Otherwise, he is no better then those he accuses of being up to no good.
If his intentions are honest and just, then what does he have to hide? Why is he being secretive?
If he is able to put this information he claims is true out in the public domain, then he should also back it up with sources.
Even if we knew who he was, even if he was the Secretary General of the United Nations, he would still need to provide sources, evidence, something to back up and substantiate his claims. Yet he does not.

The issues around Labor, and supposed conflicts of interests, are only intensified now, because we have had Labor governments for so long. It's always bound to happen when a party manages to stay in power for a long time while their opponents are in shambles.

Isn't that the point of a Union? To ensure workers, it's members, are treated fairly and justly in accordance with employee rights..?

This gives us another clue as to where his affiliations are..the biggest opponent to Unions in this country, is the Liberal party. He is bashing Unions, trying to create this perception that a union has secretly taken over the state by stealth and are now in control of our fare state.
Connect the dots, and it all adds up to an image of a Liberal.
What I find funny is how he talks about the Labor-unions connection, as if it's some secret or some new phenomenon. Is this how stupid the Liberals think we South Australians are?

If this sort of online garbage is the best the Liberal party "faceless men" can come up with, then I'd rather have a not so perfect Labor government remain in government.
It comes down to a choice of the lesser of two evils.
Assuming all political parties are going to lie to us and screw us over, which they do..which one is more capable of actually delivering a better result for this state?

Lets look at the last Liberal government in this state, the current state of the Liberal party, and compare that to the Labor governments which have governed this state since Olsen lost power.
Most important however is to look at the current state of both parties. Who is more fit to run this state? Surely not the Liberal party which cant even get it's own affairs in order?

As far as I'm concerned, Sj is one of the Liberal party's faceless men.

@Mono - well yes
But her lie is made more prominent in peoples minds when you take into consideration how she even came into being Prime Minister to begin with. In my mind anyway.
We should revoke the citizenship of both Abbott and Gillard and deport them. They are both useless.

[Aidan]

If the Liberals in this state can put up a challenge to Labor, put in some decent people to lead the party and generally appear to be a serious alternative rather then the circus they are now, I, and probably many others, would consider voting for them. But as it stands now there is no viable alternative to Labor.

How much of their pro blem is due to the circus they are now? And how much due to the circus they inflictead on us last time they were in power? They don't seem to have learned anything form their mistakes, and fear of a repeat performance seems to me to be what kept them out last time. But if Labor keep going the way they are, soon there may be no viable alteernative to the Libs

Federally I will not vote for Gillard. I did not vote for her before and I never will. Something about her blatantly lying kind of puts me off.

Even to keep the Mad Monk out? He's done a lot more blatant lying than she has (mainly about the impact of the carbon tax, but also making misleading statements on the impacts of other government policies to make it look far worse than it really is).

I still don't understand the point of the carbon tax and how it's going to "help" the environment.

What's not to understand? The point of the carbon tax is to reduce CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions by introducing a financial incentive to switch to more environmentally friendly equipment, processes and energy sources.

I see how it's going to help her governments bottom line, after she told the Australian people a government lead by her would not introduce a carbon tax. Kind of how Howard lied about the GST. She needs to go..but federal Liberals aren't any better as an alternative government.

We could really do with Rudd back (though of course he's not perfect either). But contrary to the Liberal spin, Gillard's government is one of the best we've had.

[claybro]

We could really do with Rudd back (though of course he's not perfect either). But contrary to the Liberal spin, Gillard's government is one of the best we've had.

This is a wind up right?