[COM] 11 Frome Street | 138m | 37 Levels | Crowne Plaza / Adelaidean | New tallest

[monotonehell]

Am I allowed to be a NIMBY since this is directly across the street from me? Is this going to cast a shadow on my house?

Not looking forward to the construction noise, but bring it on.

* I like that they are intending to push through the laneway to Synagogue Place, right now it's just a shithole (literally full of pigeon shit).
* I do like the street level activation on the Synagogue Place side. Another cafe there will add to the two night clubs and burger place.
* I don't like the minimal level of street activation on the Frome Street side. I would like to see Eckersly's, Howling Owl, Urban Cow and Rhino Room accommodated in there somehow. But what they would do while it's being built would be an issue.

[Patrick_27]

I don't like the minimal level of street activation on the Frome Street side. I would like to see Eckersly's, Howling Owl, Urban Cow and Rhino Room accommodated in there somehow. But what they would do while it's being built would be an issue.

There is a business case to suggest that there would be greater financial benefit in retaining the Rhino Room/Howling Owl/Urban Cow alongside this development. Narrowing the podium to allow this to happen would increase the price of the hotel rooms during Fringe Season (good for the hotel operator), would lessen rate un-occupancy during the off-season and would provide a guaranteed long-term tenant that has demonstrated his ability to activate the area from the morning right through until the late evening. To avoid having a blank wall wedged right up against the Rhino Room site, because there are no such privacy concerns with the Rhino Room site, they could have windows facing out over this site. I'm not an engineer or architect but from the fly-through I've see of the building, this could easily be achieved and would really balance this proposal out nicely with what's already in the area.

[floplo]

If the tower is supposed a hotel, any indication who might be running it ?

Sofitel will be on Currie street, Sheraton has signed on for North Adelaide, so how about Radisson, Marriott, anyone else ?

[Alyx]

[Nort]

That would be insanely overwhelming at ground level.

[Nathan]

That would be insanely overwhelming at ground level.

Agreed. they should set the main (glass walled) volume back a bit more on the eastern and northern sides. That would help it's approach to the street, and would allow the two parts to appear more like two intersecting volumes, rather than just different cladding on one corner.

The almost, but not quite, way the black panel above the entrance and the cut out on the corner really irks me too. When something is that close to lining up, but doesn't, it seems like just a sloppy mistake. I think they should extend that cutout all the way around that corner; and extend the black panel to the same height, with the same cutout.

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[SRW]

The tower is adequate but the podium is a mess and should be better. Presumably this went through design review, so it worries me what they might have started with if this is the reviewed result?

Unfortunately, I really can't see a reprieve for Rhino Room and they should start planning for relocation now. I'm sad to see it go, but even though the proposed building is averagely designed, this development is rehabilitating laneways and housing residents the East End desperately needs. Can't pass up that opportunity.

[metro]

The tower is a decent height, hopefully they make a new tallest out of it! The tower design looks alright with minimal/no bare concrete (might be some on the southern/western facades tho ), the podium looks pretty ordinary and hopefully it's just the low res image making it look crap and/or it's an early design. I'm curious to see how council will do the Frome St bikeway through here, i'm betting they'll just do a part time painted bike lane maybe with a rumble strip, and some traffic lights will be put in for the carpark entry like at the DJs, and Rundle Place carparks.

But it should make a decent and much needed addition to the Adelaide skyline, lets just hope the height doesn't get scaled back <100m, these 100+m proposals seem to consistently fail to get up in Adelaide, maybe this time will be different *fingers crossed*

[Algernon]

Podium's fine for Frome, it's hardly a cafe strip. Activation of Synagogue Pl a potential plus, that thing's been a mank mingin night out the whole time I've been alive.

[skyliner]

In reference to the superimposed photos a few posts ago, I wouldn't get too concerned about that isolated 'oversized' high rise look.
Bris. is the same - with one VERY high round block each end about 45 floors each. Around them nothing much yet. It will fill in over time here as well as in Adelaide.
Also I notice this pattern around the fringes of the CBD proper in many places. eg. Sth KWS, Grote, around the old bus depot, Trims old site. All much better than the controlled pyramid look that was aimed at for years.

Be great to get a new tallest.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

[Patrick_27]

Unfortunately, I really can't see a reprieve for Rhino Room and they should start planning for relocation now. I'm sad to see it go, but even though the proposed building is averagely designed, this development is rehabilitating laneways and housing residents the East End desperately needs. Can't pass up that opportunity.

At whose expense? The Rhino Room's? It's not as simple as ripping everything off the walls and ceiling and moving it to another location, it comes at a high price and I can't see the developer shelling out the dough for this even though it's because of his development that the Rhino Room's future is questionable. Furthermore, I love the fact that despite the history of the Rhino Room and the demand for such venue within proximity of the Fringe, that people are willing to say: 'the design is average, but hey... fuck the awesome space that's already there, we'll just replace it with a pile of shit anyway.' It's where being pro-development enthusiasts lose their integrity to the sad state of desperation to see change no matter what the cost and what is actually provided. There's no point saying: 'it'll be sad to see it go' if you're actually in favour of this development because such statements mean nothing if you're not even willing to brainstorm and endorse the idea of both this development and the Rhino Room sharing this block of land.
And in regards to this development rehabilitating the surrounding laneways, you realise that this is exactly what this same developer said about his development over the road? And look how that turned out, the only real pedestrian activity he's provided is people coming to and from the carpark facility, almost half of the retail spaces in that development are empty. Regardless, altering this proposal to retain the Rhino Room wouldn't change any of the developers plans to activate Tavistock Lane.

It should also be pointed out that this is a hotel building not an apartment complex, it's highly likely that this building will sit at quarter to half capacity for 10 months of the year.

[Algernon]

replace it with a pile of shit

Your opinion chief.

I like it.

There's a million other buildings the Rhino Room can move to. It's not a specialised building like a stadium or hospital. It is sad to see it go but shit happens when cities grow.

To be honest you're holding on to the last vestiges of a place that hasn't existed for a generation. The East End is dead, it has been since I was a kid. I used to walk through those markets and have a blast, that went for an Imax. The car park where fringe festival acts would perform or the likes of triple J would set up for live broadcast.... that's an apartment building. The Elephant & Wheelbarrow makes the Gold Coast feel as authentic as the old town square in Prague. Saving the Rhino Room doesn't bring back everything else. The East End and the love it gets from locals is like a crazy mother cradling a dead corpse. It's freakin dead.

[Patrick_27]

There's a million other buildings the Rhino Room can move to. It's not a specialised building like a stadium or hospital. It is sad to see it go but shit happens when cities grow.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what is required for an entertainment venue (this mentality is why the Jade Monkey had one hell of a time trying to relocate to where they are now, what replaced their last premises? A car park). Besides, there are million other sites this building could go... But let's not talk about that because that doesn't meet your agenda.

To be honest you're holding on to the last vestiges of a place that hasn't existed for a generation. The East End is dead, it has been since I was a kid. I used to walk through those markets and have a blast, that went for an Imax. The car park where fringe festival acts would perform or the likes of triple J would set up for live broadcast.... that's an apartment building. The Elephant & Wheelbarrow makes the Gold Coast feel as authentic as the old town square in Prague. Saving the Rhino Room doesn't bring back everything else. The East End and the love it gets from locals is like a crazy mother cradling a dead corpse. It's freakin dead.

That's your opinion, chief. Just because you've clearly grown out of what's on offer down that way doesn't mean that the east end dead.

I can tell you what's going to happen if and when they build this; the construction faze is going to excite very few people outside of this forum, the building when complete will service a minority of people visiting from interstate and overseas, and other than those people who go in and out of this building you will won't see anywhere near the number of people that currently activate this area. This building won't provide any kind of activity that is claimed in the proposal.

When my grand-children are one day flicking through pictures of these long lost attractions in Adelaide and they ask me: "what was that and why did they get rid of it?" I'll provide the same response that is given to me when I ask why so many of this city's grandest heritage buildings were bulldozed in the 60s and 70s and replaced by tasteless medium-rise buildings: "people simply didn't care because they were obsessed with this concept of destructive progress." Do you honestly think that tourists come to Adelaide to marvel over the height of our skyline? No. They come here for venues likes the Rhino Room and art spaces such as Urban Cow, which both offer unique experiences and can't simply be replicated elsewhere.

[Algernon]

There's a million other buildings the Rhino Room can move to. It's not a specialised building like a stadium or hospital. It is sad to see it go but shit happens when cities grow.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what is required for an entertainment venue (this mentality is why the Jade Monkey had one hell of a time trying to relocate to where they are now, what replaced their last premises? A car park). Besides, there are million other sites this building could go... But let's not talk about that because that doesn't meet your agenda.

Agenda? I like the proposal. Boohoo.

My idea of an agenda would be, I dunno, not liking a proposal and feeding the local newspaper an obviously exaggerated height and fear mongering. That sounds a bit more agenda driven than me posting on a forum that I like it.

Do you want to know the reason why the building is proposed on this site and not others?

(drumroll please)

Because the owner owns it.

You're right on one point - I don't know the nuances of running a venue like this and what building it requires. I also wasn't born yesterday and I know it's harder to move a hospital or a school or any form of industrial business than it is to move a comedy club because the room echos too much. Moving house is a bitch, I had to carry a sofa down 5 sets of stairs once, didn't mean stop building Adelaide.

[Nathan]

I used to walk through those markets and have a blast, that went for an Imax.

Eh? The Imax opened a full 10 years after the markets closed.

The Elephant & Wheelbarrow hardly defines the East End (there's a lot of better, and far more authentic, pubs in the area), and the precinct definitely isn't dead. It's become the main drag for fashion boutiques, become home to some of the best restaurants in the state, and the Ebenezer Pl and Vardon Ave lanes have flourished with shops, cafes and small bars.