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[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:26 pm
by iTouch
I partially agree with Spiller with exceeding the Hyatt's height. i don't recon it'd be a new tallest though. It could be 100m+
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:38 pm
by skyliner
iTouch(myself) wrote:I partially agree with Spiller with exceeding the Hyatt's height. i don't recon it'd be a new tallest though. It could be 100m+
The real point about new high rise (apartments)near the river (and in the mix of the other developments) is more people IN the area - hence new businesses (cafes etc) along the river have more hope of success. Put the people there rather than bring them there. It works in Bris. along Southbank.
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[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:04 pm
by Nort
What would be the highest we could see this go considering air traffic restrictions?
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:30 pm
by Wayno
Nort wrote:What would be the highest we could see this go considering air traffic restrictions?
hi nort, read this doc ==>
http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/for ... php?id=689 and in particular look at the pikkies in appendices b & c. I'll be keen to hear your guesstimate for a max building height
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:07 pm
by Xaragmata
If the original plenary building between the Intercontinental & the new convention centre is demolished, as Rann suggests, why not extend the convention
centre north from that site, and incorporate a new casino / entertainment complex "floating" above the Lake 1/3 to 1/2 way across, with a footbridge
completing the connection to adel stadium..
Not this
http://www.architectureanddesign.com.au ... 08460.aspx
and not this
http://www.lhw.com/property.aspx?id=559&mode=image
but something designed to complement the site. The water feature(s) could be aligned north-south to be visible from KW & Morphett Roads.
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:04 pm
by Aidan
Xaragmata wrote:If the original plenary building between the Intercontinental & the new convention centre is demolished, as Rann suggests,
When did Rann suggest that?
His fondness for destroying perfectly good buildings is extremely worrying!
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:46 pm
by spiller
Without delving into the numbers and rule associated with the height restrictions, I fly to and from Port lincoln every fortnight and on the return to Adelaide (with Qantas Link) we always cut across the North-Western corner of the CBD, the flight path get's pretty damn close to the buildings (almost directly over the top of AO). Great view from the window seat (especially at night time with the rundle lantern and other lighting), but very close! I wouldnt think they would approve anything taller than the Intercontinental, but I'm only speculating.
I don't remember flying into a major city and coming so close to the Central Business District, and i've flown into a few in my time! Have flown into Hong Kong but that was the new Airport. Adelaide is quite unique in this way.
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:46 pm
by Xaragmata
Aidan wrote:Xaragmata wrote:If the original plenary building between the Intercontinental & the new convention centre is demolished, as Rann suggests,
When did Rann suggest that?
His fondness for destroying perfectly good buildings is extremely worrying!
In the AdelaideNow article on page 1 of the thread:
Premier Mike Rann's has announcement includes the demolition of a building between the Intercontinental hotel and the main convention centre building.
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:52 pm
by Xaragmata
spiller wrote:Rann is referring to the circa 1980s octagonal multi story convention centre building, not the one from 2004 I believe.
That's the one, behind the Riverside Centre.
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:25 pm
by FancyPants
Call me the grinch but I'm dubious of a riverbank development.
The reason riverbank/waterfront developments work is because of 'aspect'. What brings people to these locations isn't just about foot traffic and casinos but also, and just as importantly, it is the view.
Who is going to sit in a cafe/restaurant overlooking torrens lake with pretty much dark parkland in the background. Where is the impetus to visit this coming from?
Sure it presents an interesting view TO the riverbank from the otherside if development goes ahead BUT being part of the view isn't as interesting as actually viewing it. Perhaps with the AO development/footbridge the view would be improved, but any ideas that putting something on a riverbank automatically equals Southbank (Melb) like commerce is clutching at straws and stuck in concept more than reality.
I think in this situation frontage is less important since that view simply doesn't exist. Moreso design of space WITHIN the riverbank is vital. Interesting spaces, nooks and squares incorporating views to what exists (AO, Mem Drive, the Cathedral), that flow down the riverbank would be more appropriate.
Signed,
Someone who knows nothing about Urban Design but has impeccable taste and logic
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:02 pm
by spiller
that's a fair point FancyPants. The difference between Torrens Lake and Melbourne's South Bank is that there is CBD on both sides of the Yarra. The northern banks of the Torrens is mostly sporting complex, parklands and golf course, so its difficult. However, Brisbane's Southbank is a rather "one-sided" affair isnt it? (only going by memory, its been 9 years since I was last in brissy), and that s fairly successful. It is very well planned out though, makes good use of the space available.
TBH Melbroune's South Bank is overrated. It's really just a straight stretch of a Casino, restraunts and a few hotels. In all honestly I think we have the "bones" here on the Torrens Lake to better Melborune's Southbank. Plus I %#*&^ hate using Melbourne as the benchmark for everything in Adelaide.
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:42 pm
by Xaragmata
crawf wrote:Xaragmata wrote:If the original plenary building between the Intercontinental & the new convention centre is demolished, as Rann suggests, why not extend the convention centre north from that site, and incorporate a new casino / entertainment complex "floating" above the Lake 1/3 to 1/2 way across, with a footbridge completing the connection to adel stadium..
Not this
http://www.architectureanddesign.com.au ... 08460.aspx
and not this
http://www.lhw.com/property.aspx?id=559&mode=image
but something designed to complement the site. The water feature(s) could be aligned north-south to be visible from KW & Morphett Roads.
The former Exhibition Hall will also be redeveloped, with a glass wall along North Terrace and ground floor retail space along the entire frontage.
It will do wonders to that part of North Terrace
That may prove more successful than any attempt to create a "Riverbank Precinct" with buildings that currently have little connection to the riverbank
and the lake. The riverbank walk is "nice", but so sterile and disconnected that few use it - the first time we went there looking for the cafes &
restaurants, we found a man (security guard) and his dog. Noone else. It does get more use these days - a few lovers and book readers, but no milling
throngs.
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:43 am
by Wayno
FancyPants wrote:The reason riverbank/waterfront developments work is because of 'aspect'. What brings people to these locations isn't just about foot traffic and casinos but also, and just as importantly, it is the view.
Who is going to sit in a cafe/restaurant overlooking torrens lake with pretty much dark parkland in the background. Where is the impetus to visit this coming from?
Jolly's Boathouse is a good example here. It's simply nice being seated adjacent to the water's edge. The 'view', in my opinion, does not need to be full of shiny man made things. Take for example the many ocean front cafes and restaurants along the adelaide foreshore - same principle applies and they are very popular places to eat.
The 'natural views' from the Adelaide riverbank precinct would be one of our unique features, and of course there's already 100s of places elsewhere in the CBD you go to eat if you want an 'architecturally fabricated' aspect.
Don't get me wrong, i do understand your point and am not belittling it in any way.
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:33 pm
by Stubbo
Wayno wrote:FancyPants wrote:The reason riverbank/waterfront developments work is because of 'aspect'. What brings people to these locations isn't just about foot traffic and casinos but also, and just as importantly, it is the view.
Who is going to sit in a cafe/restaurant overlooking torrens lake with pretty much dark parkland in the background. Where is the impetus to visit this coming from?
Jolly's Boathouse is a good example here. It's simply nice being seated adjacent to the water's edge. The 'view', in my opinion, does not need to be full of shiny man made things. Take for example the many ocean front cafes and restaurants along the adelaide foreshore - same principle applies and they are very popular places to eat.
The 'natural views' from the Adelaide riverbank precinct would be one of our unique features, and of course there's already 100s of places elsewhere in the CBD you go to eat if you want an 'architecturally fabricated' aspect.
Don't get me wrong, i do understand your point and am not belittling it in any way.
I agree, when attending the Festival Centre it is nice to walk along the Torrens. Unfortunately there is nothing else to really do there besides walk, stand or sit alongside the lake, which while nice, does not draw in people that live outside the CBD.
There are only two places I can think of that are really nice to eat at and take advantage of the view are Jolley's Boathouse (as mentioned above) and the Rod Ochre. Imagine the lake with 15-20 nice places to eat plus associated entertainment, more hotels, apartments, open space, casino etc and it would have a nice 'buzz' about it and be a place to visit. It could really replicate the other eating spots in Adelaide (Gouger, Hutt and Rundle as examples) with the added difference of overlooking the water. Magnificent (could be - should be).
[COM] Re: Adelaide Convention Centre and Riverbank Redevelopment
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:10 am
by Ben
Casino wants Railway Station extension
MEREDITH BOOTH From: The Advertiser August 17, 2010 7:54PM
ADELAIDE Casino wants to stay at the heart of the State Government's Riverside Precinct by extending the heritage-listed Railway Station.
Despite indicating almost 18 months ago an intention to relocate from its home of 25 years, Adelaide Casino general manager David Christian said the ideal would be to redevelop the North Tce site to tap into significant increased foot traffic from the riverside revamp.
"There's probably some opportunity to attach to (the Railway Station site) in some way so we keep the body of the current building," Mr Christian said yesterday.
"We do want to extend but we could attain grandeur of the old with the new. With the correct building, we wouldn't be inconsistent with the heritage view."
The casino's New Zealand-based parent, SkyCity Entertainment Group, has been in renewed talks with the State Government about "creating a larger, integrated gaming-based entertainment complex featuring a broader range of offerings", its chief executive Nigel Morrison said at the company's annual profit result yesterday.
In July, Treasurer Kevin Foley was reported to have confirmed the talks, saying management had some "exciting ideas".
The $535 million redevelopment of Adelaide Oval and Events Plaza due by 2014 to its north and the $495 million expansion of Adelaide Convention Centre to its west would be "potentially significant drivers of additional foot traffic" to the casino precinct, the company said.
Mr Christian said previous concerns about parking for casino visitors may be alleviated with carparks considered for the overall precincts.
The casino operator shelved a $30 million underground carpark plan in August 2008 despite gaining Adelaide City Council approval.
More bars and restaurants would be key to the casino's future redevelopment, Mr Christian said, following their strong contribution to a 7 per cent lift in Adelaide Casino's earnings of $31.5 million last financial year - a new record.
Mr Christian expected to "hear from the Government imminently", in weeks rather than months, on the outcome of talks but SkyCity would need to know "who's going to be doing the Convention Centre" before moving ahead with its plans.