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What a debacle, to quote a former Prime Minister.. heads should roll at the DPTI for such incompetence.jk1237 wrote:I thought we had got over this shit but no, once again, tens of thousands of people in the city tonight for a major event and no increase in PT services for the 30,000+ leaving Elder Park at 8:30pm.
Let me guess, two car trains every hour?. If so that is fucking pathetic!jk1237 wrote:I thought we had got over this shit but no, once again, tens of thousands of people in the city tonight for a major event and no increase in PT services for the 30,000+ leaving Elder Park at 8:30pm.
Would have been the Hindley Street Maccas people would have been to lazy to walk down to West Tce. All this proves is Adelaide's PT is vastly inadequate on a Sunday, trains half hourly should be the max space on all lines (Tonsley would be an all stopper and Seaford would be limited stops) between 6am and 9pm, Go-Zones should run at 20mins on weekends and 630pm to 9pm weekdays.SBD wrote:From what I heard, the Moon Lantern Parade crowd was over three times the size they had anticipated. Since the previous two had been rained out, they had no experience of a crowd spilling out from Adelaide Oval and "sticking around", but even that influx is not sufficient for the increase in interest from the last time it was on.
I have heard that McDonalds in the city ran out of food, so I suspect there were many organisations in the background who failed to anticipate what Adelaideans would do on the first beautiful Sunday afternoon of Spring. Blaming the Government, the Moon Lantern organisers or DPTI is somewhat simplistic.
We need a new William Webb type person to come in and gut the public transports system and rebuilt it from the ground upclaybro wrote:If this all true it is very disappointing! All very well to spend hundreds of millions on PT, with a wishlist of many millions more. But they won't even run what's already there properly. Slow trams, infrequent trains... Seriously. If the state gov is to hold its hand out for the many hundreds of millions about to be on offer by the new feds, they really need to demonstrate they know how to utilise all the bright shiny new stuff.
Well my response is how can any modern, functioning city not expect to fork out money on decent public transport?New Cities Minister Jamie Briggs says increased fares needed for states to win project funding and recover costs
Electric train on the Onkaparinga river bridge ... federal Cities Minister Jamie Briggs said in order for states to win funding for projects, ticket price increases may be needed to recoup more of the cost of public transport.
JACKSON GOTHE-SNAPE TORY SHEPHERDThe Advertiser
COMMUTERS face paying higher public transport fares to secure infrastructure upgrades like tram line extensions and train electrification, the Federal Government has flagged.
New Cities Minister Jamie Briggs said in order for states to win funding for projects, ticket price increases may be needed to recoup more of the cost of public transport.
He said that because state governments are reluctant to upset voters, “there may be a role for (the federal Government) to be the big bad guys” to make new train and tram projects profitable enough for development.
The comments came at the release of a report into sustainable cities yesterday where Australia’s Chief Scientist Professor Ian Chubb said: “Australian cities are under pressure”.
The report, from top engineering, science and humanities academics, claims Australia needs $350 billion worth of infrastructure spending over the next 10 years.
The Government is spending less than half a billion on South Australian infrastructure projects in 2015-16 according to the Department of Infrastructure.
After launching the report, Mr Briggs told The Advertiser he wants to “unlock the enormous amount of capital” around the world by making public transport projects more attractive for private investment.
Cities Minister Jamie Briggs
Cities Minister Jamie BriggsSource:News Corp Australia
“(Investors) need an incentive to be involved, they’re not doing it as a community service,” Mr Briggs said.
Public transport in South Australia costs more than $500 million each year, but makes less than $180 million in income.
Mr Briggs has asked a Cities Taskforce in collaboration with the states to look at options like better use of technology and revising ticket pricing to be more “dynamic” during peak periods.
“There may be a role for us to be the big bad guys who tie funding to introducing some of those reforms to make it more efficient, which your readers won’t love, but they’ll get a better service,” he said.
State Transport Minister Stephen Mullighan welcomed the opportunity to work with the Commonwealth to co-fund public transport projects, however he added that his Government “would be reticent to see fares increase and discourage people from using public transport”.
The Federal Government is researching public transport systems in New York and Tokyo, and smaller overseas cities comparable in size to Adelaide.
“That is part of the work that we have to do, look around and see what does work, why it is so expensive, what are the key factors,” Mr Briggs said.
One alternate approach to financing infrastructure will be announced by Labor leader Bill Shorten today.
If Labor wins the next election, Mr Shorten is promising to create a $10 billion fund to invest in infrastructure.
He has earmarked the Gawler Line electrification as one of the first projects that Labor will support.
Burnside to Adelaide would fall within the 2 section zone, depending on the route, and thus cost half as much. (I agree with your point though, and the 2 section/full trip system is not very elegant.)Waewick wrote:I understand fairs at a resonable cost, but It shouldn't cost me the same from Burnside to Adelaide as it does from Norlunga to Adelaide - that is crazy
it is a disinsetive for people to take PT close to the city but also encourages these developments in the middle of nowhere.
That first part doesn't make any sense... Unless you're being sarcastic.[Shuz] wrote:Public transport in Adelaide is so bloody cheap compared to Melbourne. Was paying $58.50 for a 28 day unlimited ticket there. I'm now paying $37.60 for 7 days.
Then again, you do get service frequency and reliability down to a matter of 30 seconds, not... 30 minutes!
Bill Shorten is promising a $10bn federal infrastructure bank to kick-start rail and road projects around the country as Labor begins to roll out its major policy ideas ahead of next year’s election.
Labor proposes to tip $3.6bn left in the Building Australia Fund – originally established by the Rudd government – into a new financing facility run by Infrastructure Australia, and to borrow another $6.4bn for the fund.
It says the fund would be modelled on the successful $10bn Clean Energy Finance Corporation, set up under the Gillard government, which is lending to major renewable projects and also generating a profit. Tony Abbott ridiculed the CEFC and tried to abolish it as prime minister, but the Turnbull government has indicated a different attitude. The Abbott government is proposing a similar “off budget” lending facility with its $5bn Northern Australia Infrastructure Fund.
The Guardian:The $10bn financing facility will allow the existing infrastructure planning body, Infrastructure Australia, to provide a combination of guarantees, loans or equity investment to new projects. Labor envisages that once a project is “underway and financeable” Infrastructure Australia could sell its equity or debt interests to long-term investors like super funds.
“This would maximise the return of the commonwealth, while allowing it to re-commit this capital to new projects underway,” Shorten
Or he's moved to Melbourne from Adelaide?Norman wrote:[Shuz] wrote:That first part doesn't make any sense... Unless you're being sarcastic.
