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#1276 Post by Nort » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:58 pm

The aim is to shift traffic more efficiently as part of the greater South Road problem, but I’m still scratching my head about this – we could’ve had 23km of light rail to Port Adelaide for the same price. There are supposed economic benefits, no doubt, but I question the need for so much more concrete, so much more steel reinforcement and so much more bitumen – and little else – over a more traditional road solution.

Some might say the solution picks the low-hanging fruit, by ignoring more important and problematic parts of South Road – the intersections with Port Road, Richmond Road or Sir Donald Bradman Drive, for example.
This all ignores that the superway is not intended to reduce commuter congestion (although it should as a nice side effect) and that the federal funds offered for the project could not be used for light rail.

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#1277 Post by crawf » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:18 am

A few quick snaps from Sunday
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#1278 Post by muzzamo » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:07 am

cheers for the photos

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#1279 Post by drsmith » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:39 pm

Those last two photos are amazing.

That deck section is obviously counter balanced north/south, but how much stress would the uneven load be putting on the supporting bridge pier ?

It would be a bit of a bugger if it all came crashing down on the intersection of Grand Junction Road.

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#1280 Post by AG » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:29 pm

drsmith wrote:Those last two photos are amazing.

That deck section is obviously counter balanced north/south, but how much stress would the uneven load be putting on the supporting bridge pier ?

It would be a bit of a bugger if it all came crashing down on the intersection of Grand Junction Road.
The huge unsupported overhang would be creating a large rotating force (bending moment we call it in structural engineering) that would require strong resistance from the (I hope) deep foundation to stop it from overturning. It's amazing what reinforcing steel can do when combined with concrete.

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#1281 Post by crawf » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:06 am

This thing is so ridiculously tall, it's going to be quite a site driving so high above the ground level. Possibly some great city views.

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#1282 Post by ChillyPhilly » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:34 am

crawf wrote:This thing is so ridiculously tall, it's going to be quite a site driving so high above the ground level. Possibly some great city views.
A step towards our own West Gate Bridge? :lol:
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#1283 Post by rev » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:17 am

Here's a view from the BP next to it..kind of gives you an idea along with Crawfs pics how huge this thing is.
crappy iphone quality :oops:

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#1284 Post by Omicron » Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:48 pm

Goodness me. This would be when the engineers earn their $Texas, then.

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#1285 Post by phenom » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:28 pm

I'll need to drive out there and see for myself but let's face it - if it wasn't tall we'd invariably end up with an AdelaideNow story with a picture of a tall truck or someone towing a sailboat wedged up against the lower part of the bridge two weeks after it opens. Maybe I'm just a fan of industrialism but the 'inhuman' proportions of this raised highway are entirely what we're not used to... and I love it :lol:

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#1286 Post by drsmith » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:35 pm

With Gateway WA (a $1bn+ road upgrade package around Perth Ariport), bridge clearances are peoposed to be 6.5m. This is greater than the existing Roe Highway bridge over Tonkin Highway. This bridge was built in the early 90's and is slated for duplication when this interchange is built to its ultimate configuration.

Trucks and trains must be getting higher as well as longer. Other bridges on Tonkin Highway are also deficient in relation to height clearances as per page 52 of the Gateway WA project master plan.

Some light reading for anyone interested. :D

http://www.mainroads.wa.gov.au/Building ... wayWA.aspx

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#1287 Post by Maximus » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:33 am

AG wrote:
drsmith wrote:Those last two photos are amazing.

That deck section is obviously counter balanced north/south, but how much stress would the uneven load be putting on the supporting bridge pier ?

It would be a bit of a bugger if it all came crashing down on the intersection of Grand Junction Road.
The huge unsupported overhang would be creating a large rotating force (bending moment we call it in structural engineering) that would require strong resistance from the (I hope) deep foundation to stop it from overturning. It's amazing what reinforcing steel can do when combined with concrete.
Let's just hope there are no engineers from Canberra working on it. A half-finished bridge just like this actually did collapse a couple of years ago...

http://the-riotact.com/gde-collapses-on ... hway/26041
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#1288 Post by AG » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:46 pm

Maximus wrote:
AG wrote:
drsmith wrote:Those last two photos are amazing.

That deck section is obviously counter balanced north/south, but how much stress would the uneven load be putting on the supporting bridge pier ?

It would be a bit of a bugger if it all came crashing down on the intersection of Grand Junction Road.
The huge unsupported overhang would be creating a large rotating force (bending moment we call it in structural engineering) that would require strong resistance from the (I hope) deep foundation to stop it from overturning. It's amazing what reinforcing steel can do when combined with concrete.
Let's just hope there are no engineers from Canberra working on it. A half-finished bridge just like this actually did collapse a couple of years ago...

http://the-riotact.com/gde-collapses-on ... hway/26041
The company I previously worked for were actually the structural engineers for the Superway project. I very much trust their technical abilities considering they've done work on similar structures interstate.

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#1289 Post by muzzamo » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:20 am

Plenty of construction photos at the dtpi Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 201&type=3

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#1290 Post by Xaragmata » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:52 pm

Pics from yesterday, near Cardigan St & Days Rd

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