[U/C] 88 O'Connell Street | 63m | 13, 13 and 15 Levels | Mixed Use

[Spurdo]

I've lived in Adelaide most of my life and have seen the whole there. Is this better? Yes, but is this worth the 37-year wait? Absolutely not. Not in my opinion. One I'm more than able to have despite now living abroad. I'd probably end up seeing this more than you would given the number of times I travel back home and given you probably live in some outer suburb bogan hell hole and would never actually get to experience any of this.

lol calm down

[ChillyPhilly]

Not the best possible development, but it isn't a bad use of the site and can hopefully be a catalyst for more development in North Adelaide and most importantly, continue entrenching/highlighting the need for light rail.

[Mpol02]

Like I originally sid I hope street activation brings this to life. Light rail is so overdue for here and the city loop. Itd really bring Nth Adl into the CBD and connect them.

[abc]

Like I originally sid I hope street activation brings this to life. Light rail is so overdue for here and the city loop. Itd really bring Nth Adl into the CBD and connect them.

light rail doesn't do much for KW Street South... its a ghost town there

[Spotto]

Like I originally sid I hope street activation brings this to life. Light rail is so overdue for here and the city loop. Itd really bring Nth Adl into the CBD and connect them.

light rail doesn't do much for KW Street South... its a ghost town there

KWS South is a ghost town because most of the businesses there are 9-5 office jobs.

North Adelaide and parts of the proposed city loop tram route have destination businesses like cafes and bars, or residential which people will travel to at all hours outside of the rushes to/from work.

[rhino]

Like I originally sid I hope street activation brings this to life. Light rail is so overdue for here and the city loop. Itd really bring Nth Adl into the CBD and connect them.

light rail doesn't do much for KW Street South... its a ghost town there

Do you remember Adelaide south of Victoria Square before the tram extension? It was a forgotten piece of real estate. The tram extension actually did heaps for KWS south.

[EBG]

We should all consider that the steel work is still in red rust prevention primer and so we should wait until construction is complete before making a final assement of project.
As for the extension of the tram/ light rail, the Adelaide City council made the assumption that the Torrens River bridge could not handle the weight of a tram without doing any actual engineering assessment.

[abc]

Like I originally sid I hope street activation brings this to life. Light rail is so overdue for here and the city loop. Itd really bring Nth Adl into the CBD and connect them.

light rail doesn't do much for KW Street South... its a ghost town there

Do you remember Adelaide south of Victoria Square before the tram extension? It was a forgotten piece of real estate. The tram extension actually did heaps for KWS south.

yes I do, and no I disagree

there are vacant buildings on both sides now and a derelict pub

[dbl96]

We should all consider that the steel work is still in red rust prevention primer and so we should wait until construction is complete before making a final assement of project.
As for the extension of the tram/ light rail, the Adelaide City council made the assumption that the Torrens River bridge could not handle the weight of a tram without doing any actual engineering assessment.

Presumably they made this assessment on advice from engineers. At any rate, the tram is DIT’s responsibility. I would assume they made their own investigations back in 2017 prior to building the extension which terminated at Festival Plaza, rather than the far mor logical Adelaide Oval.

Obviously trams ran over the bridge in the past, but since then it has aged structurally, trams have got heavier, and design safety standards have been raised substantially. The engineers’ conclusion was that basically the bridge needs to be replaced. This will be the case regardless of whether the tram line is extended. They have already introduced load restrictions on the bridge and these will only be extended further as the bridge continues to age.

https://www.indaily.com.au/news/2023/09 ... -rd-bridge

[abc]

We should all consider that the steel work is still in red rust prevention primer and so we should wait until construction is complete before making a final assement of project.
As for the extension of the tram/ light rail, the Adelaide City council made the assumption that the Torrens River bridge could not handle the weight of a tram without doing any actual engineering assessment.

Presumably they made this assessment on advice from engineers. At any rate, the tram is DIT’s responsibility. I would assume they made their own investigations back in 2017 prior to building the extension which terminated at Festival Plaza, rather than the far mor logical Adelaide Oval.

Obviously trams ran over the bridge in the past, but since then it has aged structurally, trams have got heavier, and design safety standards have been raised substantially. The engineers’ conclusion was that basically the bridge needs to be replaced. This will be the case regardless of whether the tram line is extended. They have already introduced load restrictions on the bridge and these will only be extended further as the bridge continues to age.

https://www.indaily.com.au/news/2023/09 ... -rd-bridge

I'd imagine there are heritage considerations with that bridge, so if its fit for current purpose then there'd be no way they're going to knock it down for a vanity tram line extension project. Not any time in the next 30 years.

[rev]

We should all consider that the steel work is still in red rust prevention primer and so we should wait until construction is complete before making a final assement of project.
As for the extension of the tram/ light rail, the Adelaide City council made the assumption that the Torrens River bridge could not handle the weight of a tram without doing any actual engineering assessment.

Presumably they made this assessment on advice from engineers. At any rate, the tram is DIT’s responsibility. I would assume they made their own investigations back in 2017 prior to building the extension which terminated at Festival Plaza, rather than the far mor logical Adelaide Oval.

Obviously trams ran over the bridge in the past, but since then it has aged structurally, trams have got heavier, and design safety standards have been raised substantially. The engineers’ conclusion was that basically the bridge needs to be replaced. This will be the case regardless of whether the tram line is extended. They have already introduced load restrictions on the bridge and these will only be extended further as the bridge continues to age.

https://www.indaily.com.au/news/2023/09 ... -rd-bridge

Hopefully upgraded/repaired and not replaced because we'll probably end up with another uninspiring victoria bridge.

Among the options the council has asked the future contractor to investigate for Adelaide Bridge are:

Continue Current Corrective/Targeted Maintenance.
Strengthening and Condition component/full Renewal (with load limits).
Retention of Heritage Elements/Façade and Replacement of Trafficable Bridge.
Full replacement with a modern equivalent Bridge.
Full replacement with Heritage features/Replication.
Full replacement modern bridge with Tram capability.
Full replacement Heritage feature bridge with Tram capability.

Interesting, from your article.

[Ursus Maritimus]

The King William Street bridge desperately, desperately needs an attractive replacement rather than a generic concrete piece of crap like the Morphett Street bridge.

Here is the development seen from King William Street today:

[Spotto]

The King William Street bridge desperately, desperately needs an attractive replacement rather than a generic concrete piece of crap like the Morphett Street bridge.

Could they build a stronger replica of the original bridge? Or a modern construction bridge with a facade that matches the original?

[ChillyPhilly]

The King William Street bridge desperately, desperately needs an attractive replacement rather than a generic concrete piece of crap like the Morphett Street bridge.

Could they build a stronger replica of the original bridge? Or a modern construction bridge with a facade that matches the original?

Per rev's post:

Among the options the council has asked the future contractor to investigate for Adelaide Bridge are:

Continue Current Corrective/Targeted Maintenance.
Strengthening and Condition component/full Renewal (with load limits).
Retention of Heritage Elements/Façade and Replacement of Trafficable Bridge.
Full replacement with a modern equivalent Bridge.
Full replacement with Heritage features/Replication.
Full replacement modern bridge with Tram capability.
Full replacement Heritage feature bridge with Tram capability.

[A-Town]

The King William Street bridge desperately, desperately needs an attractive replacement rather than a generic concrete piece of crap like the Morphett Street bridge.

Could they build a stronger replica of the original bridge? Or a modern construction bridge with a facade that matches the original?

Per rev's post:

Among the options the council has asked the future contractor to investigate for Adelaide Bridge are:

Continue Current Corrective/Targeted Maintenance.
Strengthening and Condition component/full Renewal (with load limits).
Retention of Heritage Elements/Façade and Replacement of Trafficable Bridge.
Full replacement with a modern equivalent Bridge.
Full replacement with Heritage features/Replication.
Full replacement modern bridge with Tram capability.
Full replacement Heritage feature bridge with Tram capability.

Given how keen council are for trams to return to North Adelaide, you'd think that the preferred option/s would all have tram capability.