News & Discussion: Adelaide Development Plan Amendment 2012

[Will]

watching the cricket final today between sa and tas commentators had a good old laugh at adelaides expense when they showed a shot of the city skyline they said look at the skyscrapers ,they said is that what new york is like to the responce of maybe in the 1900,s then they said loook theres a 10 storey building and they replied thats the size of one the cricket players house poor taste fox commentators.but unfort true

What I don't understand is why Adelaide is subject to such ridiculous comparisons.

No other city in Australia is subjected to such severe scrutiny.

Is it because Adelaide is a "woman"?

[Nort]

Unfortunately we must rise above smart arse comments like that because the true reality is we are a young, fine looking city that will grow on our own which is the beauty of living in Adelaide, its our city and that's what makes it more special than any-other.

um, the issue is not the reality of Adelaide, its the negative perception from the 98% of Aussie dickheads from other states that have no idea of what Adelaide is actually like. Our city is chugging along nicely, however our image to outsiders is so ridiculously negative. And you agreeing with that tool on SSC wont help either. So what should we do, just sit back and rise above the incredibly misinformed negative crap heaped on our city (that further snowballs), or should we respond try and set things straight

It's only an issue because so many people on here take exception to it.

We're not Melbourne, we're not Sydney. We're an isolated city of a million people. Trying to make us into them will never work and we should have a city that plays up to our strengths rather than trying to be a cheap low quality knock off of a metropolis.

[skyliner]

Unfortunately we must rise above smart arse comments like that because the true reality is we are a young, fine looking city that will grow on our own which is the beauty of living in Adelaide, its our city and that's what makes it more special than any-other.

um, the issue is not the reality of Adelaide, its the negative perception from the 98% of Aussie dickheads from other states that have no idea of what Adelaide is actually like. Our city is chugging along nicely, however our image to outsiders is so ridiculously negative. And you agreeing with that tool on SSC wont help either. So what should we do, just sit back and rise above the incredibly misinformed negative crap heaped on our city (that further snowballs), or should we respond try and set things straight

It's only an issue because so many people on here take exception to it.

We're not Melbourne, we're not Sydney. We're an isolated city of a million people. Trying to make us into them will never work and we should have a city that plays up to our strengths rather than trying to be a cheap low quality knock off of a metropolis.

In answer to the bold, perception affects response to the thing of concern. If a negative one (like here) then concurrent results follow in all kinds of things. Ie It affects tourism etc. IMHO we on this forum should be supportive of our city and counteract this negative misinformation. NOTE - Of course there are going to be exceptions to the attitudes to Adelaide, but the prevailing one in the east has been negative, for whatever reason - and I do get sick of it.

ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE

[crawf]

watching the cricket final today between sa and tas commentators had a good old laugh at adelaides expense when they showed a shot of the city skyline they said look at the skyscrapers ,they said is that what new york is like to the responce of maybe in the 1900,s then they said loook theres a 10 storey building and they replied thats the size of one the cricket players house poor taste fox commentators.but unfort true

This is why these development changes are desperately needed, so we can put these ignorant wankers in their box.

[ynotsfables]

watching the cricket final today between sa and tas commentators had a good old laugh at adelaides expense when they showed a shot of the city skyline they said look at the skyscrapers ,they said is that what new york is like to the responce of maybe in the 1900,s then they said loook theres a 10 storey building and they replied thats the size of one the cricket players house poor taste fox commentators.but unfort true

What I don't understand is why Adelaide is subject to such ridiculous comparisons.

No other city in Australia is subjected to such severe scrutiny.

Is it because Adelaide is a "woman"?

No its probably because Adelaide is unique.

[ynotsfables]

Unfortunately we must rise above smart arse comments like that because the true reality is we are a young, fine looking city that will grow on our own which is the beauty of living in Adelaide, its our city and that's what makes it more special than any-other.

um, the issue is not the reality of Adelaide, its the negative perception from the 98% of Aussie dickheads from other states that have no idea of what Adelaide is actually like. Our city is chugging along nicely, however our image to outsiders is so ridiculously negative. And you agreeing with that tool on SSC wont help either. So what should we do, just sit back and rise above the incredibly misinformed negative crap heaped on our city (that further snowballs), or should we respond try and set things straight

Where in gods name,and please quote me if I'm wrong did I show any signs of agreeing to such absolute wank.

[Maximus]

watching the cricket final today between sa and tas commentators had a good old laugh at adelaides expense when they showed a shot of the city skyline they said look at the skyscrapers ,they said is that what new york is like to the responce of maybe in the 1900,s then they said loook theres a 10 storey building and they replied thats the size of one the cricket players house poor taste fox commentators.but unfort true

What I don't understand is why Adelaide is subject to such ridiculous comparisons.

No other city in Australia is subjected to such severe scrutiny.

Is it because Adelaide is a "woman"?

No its probably because Adelaide is unique.

It's classic bully tactics, combined with mob mentality. Identify your biggest threats and then attack them one-by-one, starting with the weakest first. When the bully attacks, everyone else joins in. The eastern states are both the bully and the mob. Adelaide and Perth are the targets, because they're by far the two biggest cities outside the eastern states. Adelaide is the weakest because it's the smallest. Perth already cops its fair share of flak, but I'm sure that would be a lot worse if Adelaide didn't exist.

I currently live in the eastern states and never let an opportunity go by to correct someone about an incorrect statement or perception about Adelaide. I go out of my way to make sure people realise that Adelaide isn't all that much different from any other city in the world of 1 million people. It's amazing the number of people here who have no idea about the rest of the country (even things as basic as, for example, timezones). So many people have never been west of the Great Dividing Range. People think our airport has no international flights, they don't realise that the Holden they drive was built in Adelaide, or that over half of Australia's wine is made in SA. Some people even think that Haighs is a VIC or NSW company!

The misinformation is incredible, but can hopefully only change with all the positive developments currently happening in our city and state.

[Waewick]

you are correct, Adelaide cops it because it is an easy target with a population (and ex population) who don't have the guts to stick up for it.

the worst are the ex-adelaide "celebrities" who join in on the Adelaide bashing at any opportunity.

[jk1237]

Where in gods name,and please quote me if I'm wrong did I show any signs of agreeing to such absolute wank.

sorry to be so short, but that one on SSC keeps commenting that we are a third world city. As soon as we shut one up, another new kid comes along with more anti Adelaide nonsene

[ynotsfables]

Where in gods name,and please quote me if I'm wrong did I show any signs of agreeing to such absolute wank.

sorry to be so short, but that one on SSC keeps commenting that we are a third world city. As soon as we shut one up, another new kid comes along with more anti Adelaide nonsene

That's ok i'm sorry too because i did'nt make myself clear when i gave my response on SSC it may have seemed that i was siding with him where as he was really infuriating me. Thanks for understanding.

Cheers

[spiller]

I agree about the mithtruth's and general lack of knowledge of eastern states population in relation to the "west" of Australia. Its an ignorance thing, everything happens over there so to those people, that is Australia. They don't see much in the news/media about Adelaide, Perth, Hobart (in comparison to the amount of eastern news we receive here), thus their knowledge is poor. Same thing with America, they are the "centre of the world" thus they know nothing else, nor have had any real reason to.

I have been to melbourne many times throughout my childhood and adult life but was amazed a number of years back (when I was old enough to socialise at licenced venues) at the number of people I spoke to who had never been to or knew nothing about Adelaide other than it was the "city of churches". Here I was thinking Adelaide and Melbourne had some great rilvary (stemming from football), and how wrong I was. I quickly learned that football was the only part of the rivalry and that Victorians simply didnt even consider our city, let alone be threatened by it.

this will probably get deleted for OT but oh well.

[Vee]

I am a passionate South Australian and always stick up for Adelaide and the rest of our state when ignorant opinions or stereotyping are involved. It pains me to hear smart a*se commentators on sporting events, by comedians etc making insulting remarks about our city/state. A few well known expats (comedians/artists) are guilty of this and I will never buy tickets to their shows!

It's great to see residents, expats and visitors correcting the record and providing positive and accurate information.

Others have commented on the reasons for the negativity in this forum. Examples include not having visited here, views based on the superioriity attitude that seems to come with living in a larger city and looking down on others eg Adelaide, Perth, Hobart. The fact that the media highlight the worst (negative, sensational, emotive) aspects of the smaller cities eg crime at the expense of any positive news, supposed fashion faux pas of individuals etc etc and ignore our fabulous events such as the Tour Down Under (International) does not help.

Adelaide and SA is unique and we have many great assets but it would seem that "City of Churches" is the favoured description of those who know little about our capital city and it is repeated ad nauseum.

Having watched some of the cricket from our beautiful Adelaide Oval on TV, this would have to be an amazing asset which will get better with the redevelopment. Other infrastructure and some of the innovations to make the city more liveable will add to the appeal of our city.

Our food and wine culture is up there with the best, (our wine regions and products are the best) and need to be lauded more by us. We are a perfect destination for an indulgence weekend which includes the nearby regions. Our expanded Convention Centre will attract more and larger conferences bringing more visitors, including partners, creating opportunities for local business and word of mouth recommendations.

The tram extension (city loop), when it is built, will have a great impact on our city and I hope funds can be found to build it sooner than later. Yes, some increased height, better design and an iconic building or two would help but it's not the only measure of progress, status or pride.

[Will]

From the Messenger:

Plans for city height limits on the way

Council22 Mar 12 @ 08:45am by Alice Higgins


A State Government blueprint designed to overhaul city development is expected to be unveiled within weeks.

The City Messenger understands Planning Minister John Rau is putting the finishing touches on a new plan, which is tipped to change guidelines governing maximum building heights, density and design.

City councillors were set to be shown the plan on Tuesday, March 20, after the City Messenger‘s deadline.

Frustrated council sources told the City Messenger the council had sketched its own guidelines to shape development in the CBD.

The exact details of the council’s plan are unclear.

“We have put our wish list together,” one council source said.

“We have listed the changes we would be happy with.”

The council was set to meet in camera to discuss Mr Rau’s plan on Wednesday (March 21).

The government’s Executive Council is expected to consider the plan, and the council’s response to it, when it meets today (Thursday, March 22).

It follows a City Messenger investigation last month which found more than $340 million in city development is ready to go ahead if maximum building heights are raised.

Mr Rau ordered his department to review the council’s planning policies last August.

Lord Mayor Stephen Yarwood said raising maximum building heights was “one of the conversations” the council was having with the government but declined to comment further.

“We will be making an announcement as soon as we can,” Mr Yarwood said.

A spokesman for Mr Rau said discussions with the council were “progressing well” and an announcement would be made “soon”.

[Thanial]

Really looking forward to seeing what they decide on, would love to see the councils requests, "'recommend decreasing height limits to 10m throughout the city in order to reduce the risk of suicide from high rise buildings" I'd really love to see what these $340 million worth of development area, hopefully theres a new tallest in there somewhere, 200m would be great for Adelaide

[Howie]

More news to come during the week.

Government appoints body to oversee city development
http://city-messenger.whereilive.com.au ... velopment/
26 Mar 12 @ 03:01pm by Alice Higgins

A NEW panel chaired by a State Government architect will advise developers and architects on city development.

Premier Jay Weatherill today (Tuesday, March 26) announced a City Design Review Panel, chaired by government architect Ben Hewett, would advise developers and architects on all city applications valued at $10 million or more.

All applicants lodging a $10 million-plus proposal must present their plans to the City Design Review Panel before it is considered by the government’s Development Assessment Commission (DAC).

The applicant can choose whether it takes on board the advice of the panel but its recommendation will be forwarded to the DAC before it considers the project.

The City Council’s Development Assessment Panel will still rule on all developments under $10 million and offer advice to the DAC on applications more than $10 million.

Mr Weatherill said the opportunity for new development in the city had been “stifled for decades” because of disagreements between the council and the government.

Lord Mayor Stephen Yarwood said the move was “an absolute quantum leap for development in SA”.

“The whole point of this is to remove debate or anxiety or issues at the end of the process and deal with them up front,” Mr Yarwood said.

“There will still be a development plan, there will still be development guidelines and there will still be an independent authority making the final decision.”

Planning Minister John Rau said the new panel represented a “complete rethink” of city development.

“Up until now the City of Adelaide has had a very highly prescriptive model for development approvals ... many, many details about heights or distances or colours of windows or whatever but not great detail about design,” Mr Rau said.

“This will enable people from a very, very early stage to liaise with the panel and, in effect, build their project from the ground up in consultation with the design panel.”