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Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:16 pm
by abc
Waewick wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:34 am
Will wrote:Waewick wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:08 am
Pathetic, lol I see pathetic.
That article is about a lady who tried to avoid getting pregnant for legitimate health reasons, that failed, and her doctors agreed it was unsafe for her to continue.
To use that as an example of women who just get pregnant and get late-term abortions for lifesfyle reasons is horrendous.
There are plenty of facts that point to when the majority of abortions happen and the unusualness of late term abortions (which are overwhelming due to medical reason)
The fact you picked an article like you did to claim it was just for lifestyle reasons reflects the problem with ideology here.
I do hope your lived experience isn't true, for the sake of our health system.
OK fair enough.
Using the word "lifestyle" here is unkind.
I apologise if I triggered or offended you.
I was using the case to highlight that with current legislation, healthy and otherwise viable babies can be aborted. My unkind choice of words still does not change this.
Its not really about triggering to honest.
I also don't want foetus's aborted needlessly, but lets focus on legitimate problems.
Anyway, play on.
The proposed legislation wasn't to ban abortions. It was to address the issue of late term abortions being abused. You shouldn't be calling anyone else ignorant.
Your position of aborting at all costs is as dogmatic as the so called conservatives you disparage. Its a consistent position with the left. Such a selfish and hateful demographic.
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:16 pm
by Spotto
Will wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:02 pm
The reason this topic keeps coming back is that some people feel uncomfortable with the idea of killing a baby at a stage of development whereupon it is viable to exist out of utero independent of the mother. It is no longer a ‘clump of cells’ and is capable of feeling pain.
ABC News reported that “According to SA Health, in the first 18 months after the [original] legislation was implemented, "fewer than five" people had their pregnancies terminated after 27 weeks”
I think the misconception over late term abortions was summed up eloquently by Pete Buttigieg a few years ago. Highly recommend watching.
His speech boils down to parents over 29 weeks by that point are expecting to carry to term, have likely picked out a name, decorated the nursery; the baby is loved and wanted, but then the parents get tragic news from their doctor about a unviable pregnancy or a health risk to the mother and are left with an impossible decision.
Babies aren’t being killed willy-nilly.
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:18 pm
by abc
Spotto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:16 pm
Will wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:02 pm
The reason this topic keeps coming back is that some people feel uncomfortable with the idea of killing a baby at a stage of development whereupon it is viable to exist out of utero independent of the mother. It is no longer a ‘clump of cells’ and is capable of feeling pain.
ABC News reported that “According to SA Health, in the first 18 months after the [original] legislation was implemented, "fewer than five" people had their pregnancies terminated after 27 weeks”
I think the misconception over late term abortions was
summed up eloquently by Pete Buttigieg a few years ago. Highly recommend watching.
His speech boils down to parents over 29 weeks by that point are expecting to carry to term, have likely picked out a name, decorated the nursery; the baby is loved and wanted, but then the parents get tragic news from their doctor about a unviable pregnancy or a health risk to the mother and are left with an impossible decision.
Babies aren’t being killed willy-nilly.
oh please spare me anything from that imbecile
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:55 pm
by rubberman
Another political aspect is that a Liberal MLC, Sarah Game refused to honour the "pair" she had agreed to with MLC Michelle Lensink who was in hospital getting treatment for cancer.
The use of pairs is something that helps Parliament function when MLCs cannot be in the Chamber. For an MLC to not honour a 'pair' just invites retaliation which ends up being a childish squabble.
We pay these people to work, not engage in undergraduate games of smartypants.
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:40 pm
by SouthAussie94
rubberman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:55 pm
Another political aspect is that a Liberal MLC, Sarah Game refused to honour the "pair" she had agreed to with MLC Michelle Lensink who was in hospital getting treatment for cancer.
The use of pairs is something that helps Parliament function when MLCs cannot be in the Chamber. For an MLC to not honour a 'pair' just invites retaliation which ends up being a childish squabble.
We pay these people to work, not engage in undergraduate games of smartypants.
Game is a One Nation member, Lensink is a Liberal
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:49 pm
by Waewick
SouthAussie94 wrote:rubberman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:55 pm
Another political aspect is that a Liberal MLC, Sarah Game refused to honour the "pair" she had agreed to with MLC Michelle Lensink who was in hospital getting treatment for cancer.
The use of pairs is something that helps Parliament function when MLCs cannot be in the Chamber. For an MLC to not honour a 'pair' just invites retaliation which ends up being a childish squabble.
We pay these people to work, not engage in undergraduate games of smartypants.
Game is a One Nation member, Lensink is a Liberal
It was basically a Liberal screwing over another Liberal
What a party.
Sarah Game,well yeah I wouldn't expect much more of her either.
Honestly though, imagine forcing women to be induced at 27 weeks and seeking to adopt them out....absolute madness, especially when you look into the amount of children in state care v children adopted.
To be clear, there was 201 children adopted IN THE COUNTRY in the year ending 2023.
These poor kids would have spent their life in state care, if they make adulthood they'd find out the Govt forced them to be born...
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:00 pm
by abc
Waewick wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:49 pm
SouthAussie94 wrote:rubberman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:55 pm
Another political aspect is that a Liberal MLC, Sarah Game refused to honour the "pair" she had agreed to with MLC Michelle Lensink who was in hospital getting treatment for cancer.
The use of pairs is something that helps Parliament function when MLCs cannot be in the Chamber. For an MLC to not honour a 'pair' just invites retaliation which ends up being a childish squabble.
We pay these people to work, not engage in undergraduate games of smartypants.
Game is a One Nation member, Lensink is a Liberal
It was basically a Liberal screwing over another Liberal
What a party.
Sarah Game,well yeah I wouldn't expect much more of her either.
Honestly though, imagine forcing women to be induced at 27 weeks and seeking to adopt them out....absolute madness, especially when you look into the amount of children in state care v children adopted.
To be clear, there was 201 children adopted IN THE COUNTRY in the year ending 2023.
These poor kids would have spent their life in state care, if they make adulthood they'd find out the Govt forced them to be born...
no they're different parties with different values
you can't just rewrite facts to suit your narrative
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:45 pm
by Spotto
abc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:18 pm
Spotto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:16 pm
Will wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:02 pm
The reason this topic keeps coming back is that some people feel uncomfortable with the idea of killing a baby at a stage of development whereupon it is viable to exist out of utero independent of the mother. It is no longer a ‘clump of cells’ and is capable of feeling pain.
ABC News reported that “According to SA Health, in the first 18 months after the [original] legislation was implemented, "fewer than five" people had their pregnancies terminated after 27 weeks”
I think the misconception over late term abortions was
summed up eloquently by Pete Buttigieg a few years ago. Highly recommend watching.
His speech boils down to parents over 29 weeks by that point are expecting to carry to term, have likely picked out a name, decorated the nursery; the baby is loved and wanted, but then the parents get tragic news from their doctor about a unviable pregnancy or a health risk to the mother and are left with an impossible decision.
Babies aren’t being killed willy-nilly.
oh please spare me anything from that imbecile
From a well-spoken, educated, family-man politician who doesn’t mince his words and speaks common sense across both sides of politics in many areas not just abortion?
abc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:00 pm
you can't just rewrite facts to suit your narrative
As opposed to sticking fingers in your ears and not attempting to hear and reason with the other side of an argument? Please see your above response
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:47 pm
by Waewick
Spotto wrote:abc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:18 pm
Spotto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:16 pm
ABC News reported that “According to SA Health, in the first 18 months after the [original] legislation was implemented, "fewer than five" people had their pregnancies terminated after 27 weeks”
I think the misconception over late term abortions was
summed up eloquently by Pete Buttigieg a few years ago. Highly recommend watching.
His speech boils down to parents over 29 weeks by that point are expecting to carry to term, have likely picked out a name, decorated the nursery; the baby is loved and wanted, but then the parents get tragic news from their doctor about a unviable pregnancy or a health risk to the mother and are left with an impossible decision.
Babies aren’t being killed willy-nilly.
oh please spare me anything from that imbecile
From a well-spoken, educated politician who doesn’t mince his words and speaks common sense across both sides of politics in many areas not just abortion?
I think you'll find Petes sexuality is the problem here. Small minded people dislike things like that
But I agree, he speaks really well, appears intelligent and thoughtful.
Can't understand why people like him are not more prominent in politics.
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:21 pm
by abc
Waewick wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:47 pm
Spotto wrote:abc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:18 pm
oh please spare me anything from that imbecile
From a well-spoken, educated politician who doesn’t mince his words and speaks common sense across both sides of politics in many areas not just abortion?
I think you'll find Petes sexuality is the problem here. Small minded people dislike things like that
But I agree, he speaks really well, appears intelligent and thoughtful.
Can't understand why people like him are not more prominent in politics.
maybe because the electorate saw through his façade and didn't want to have a CIA op as president
seriously I've had my fill of you people
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:27 pm
by Spotto
abc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:21 pm
Waewick wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:47 pm
Spotto wrote:
From a well-spoken, educated politician who doesn’t mince his words and speaks common sense across both sides of politics in many areas not just abortion?
I think you'll find Petes sexuality is the problem here. Small minded people dislike things like that
But I agree, he speaks really well, appears intelligent and thoughtful.
Can't understand why people like him are not more prominent in politics.
maybe because the electorate saw through his façade and didn't want to have a CIA op as president
seriously I've had my fill of you people
“You people” meaning…?
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:51 pm
by rubberman
Spotto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:27 pm
abc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:21 pm
Waewick wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:47 pm
I think you'll find Petes sexuality is the problem here. Small minded people dislike things like that
But I agree, he speaks really well, appears intelligent and thoughtful.
Can't understand why people like him are not more prominent in politics.
maybe because the electorate saw through his façade and didn't want to have a CIA op as president
seriously I've had my fill of you people
“You people” meaning…?
We can only dream.
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:29 pm
by Waewick
Spotto wrote:abc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:21 pm
Waewick wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:47 pm
I think you'll find Petes sexuality is the problem here. Small minded people dislike things like that
But I agree, he speaks really well, appears intelligent and thoughtful.
Can't understand why people like him are not more prominent in politics.
maybe because the electorate saw through his façade and didn't want to have a CIA op as president
seriously I've had my fill of you people
“You people” meaning…?
Educated, non bigoted, tolerant
Probably covers it
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:04 pm
by abc
Spotto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:27 pm
abc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:21 pm
Waewick wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:47 pm
I think you'll find Petes sexuality is the problem here. Small minded people dislike things like that
But I agree, he speaks really well, appears intelligent and thoughtful.
Can't understand why people like him are not more prominent in politics.
maybe because the electorate saw through his façade and didn't want to have a CIA op as president
seriously I've had my fill of you people
“You people” meaning…?
champagne bolshevik baby killers
Re: The SA Politics Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:06 pm
by abc
Waewick wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:29 pm
Spotto wrote:abc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:21 pm
maybe because the electorate saw through his façade and didn't want to have a CIA op as president
seriously I've had my fill of you people
“You people” meaning…?
Educated, non bigoted, tolerant
Probably covers it
you already got owned by someone who is educated on the subject
now take your medicine