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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:15 pm
by PeFe
Goodsy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:01 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:20 am
Park and ride just pushes the traffic jam back into the suburbs. The area surrounding O-Bahn stops should be transit-oriented developments. This is expensive real estate and car parks are for inexpensive real estate!
transforming it into a TOD wouldn't suddenly make everyone who currently uses Paradise to move into apartments within walking distance... People would still drive and park
Yes but where do the people who will use the car park live?.....Probably where the "through" buses are travelling to....
The new car park further pushes the functionality of the O-Bahn towards "park and ride" like a light rail/train line.....
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 pm
by 1NEEDS2POST
Goodsy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:01 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:20 am
Park and ride just pushes the traffic jam back into the suburbs. The area surrounding O-Bahn stops should be transit-oriented developments. This is expensive real estate and car parks are for inexpensive real estate!
transforming it into a TOD wouldn't suddenly make everyone who currently uses Paradise to move into apartments within walking distance... People would still drive and park
One of the benefits of O-Bahn is that buses can leave the O-Bahn track and drive through the suburbs. People shouldn't need to drive to the O-Bahn when they should be able to get a bus to the O-Bahn and beyond.
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:17 pm
by Brucetiki
1NEEDS2POST wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 pm
Goodsy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:01 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:20 am
Park and ride just pushes the traffic jam back into the suburbs. The area surrounding O-Bahn stops should be transit-oriented developments. This is expensive real estate and car parks are for inexpensive real estate!
transforming it into a TOD wouldn't suddenly make everyone who currently uses Paradise to move into apartments within walking distance... People would still drive and park
One of the benefits of O-Bahn is that buses can leave the O-Bahn track and drive through the suburbs. People shouldn't need to drive to the O-Bahn when they should be able to get a bus to the O-Bahn and beyond.
The issue then becomes a matter of convenience - do you wait 30 minutes for the bus at your doorstep to rock up, or drive 5-10 minutes to an interchange, and then wait a couple of minutes for any O-Bahn bus to to take you into town. Or, conversely with the current set up, get an O-Bahn to one of the interchanges, and hope there's a connecting bus there for the local route home.
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:31 pm
by PeFe
Brucetiki wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:17 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 pm
Goodsy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:01 pm
transforming it into a TOD wouldn't suddenly make everyone who currently uses Paradise to move into apartments within walking distance... People would still drive and park
One of the benefits of O-Bahn is that buses can leave the O-Bahn track and drive through the suburbs. People shouldn't need to drive to the O-Bahn when they should be able to get a bus to the O-Bahn and beyond.
The issue then becomes a matter of convenience - do you wait 30 minutes for the bus at your doorstep to rock up, or drive 5-10 minutes to an interchange, and then wait a couple of minutes for any O-Bahn bus to to take you into town. Or, conversely with the current set up, get an O-Bahn to one of the interchanges, and hope there's a connecting bus there for the local route home.
I would say that 50% of the buses that traverse the O-Bahn are in Go-Zones...15 minute daytime service (more frequent at peak hours) and 30 minutes at night.
I cant wait for the car park at the Paradise Interchange to open and watch the local residents squeal about all the traffic that has descended upon their area.
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:26 pm
by TorrensSA
A lot of people drive to the O'Bahn because it's quicker, look at Athelstone, if you live near the shops you have to get a 178 bus in the wrong direction to get to Paradise (theres a few direct peak hour 579 buses) it would take 25min on the bus v 7min in the car to get to Paradise. A lot of the feeder buses for the closer suburbs are too windy and slow. The 500 / 501 routes on the other hand are direct and have few stops, it gets you to Ingle Farm in only 25min v an on road 203 which takes 40min+.
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:40 am
by Brucetiki
PeFe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:31 pm
Brucetiki wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:17 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 pm
One of the benefits of O-Bahn is that buses can leave the O-Bahn track and drive through the suburbs. People shouldn't need to drive to the O-Bahn when they should be able to get a bus to the O-Bahn and beyond.
The issue then becomes a matter of convenience - do you wait 30 minutes for the bus at your doorstep to rock up, or drive 5-10 minutes to an interchange, and then wait a couple of minutes for any O-Bahn bus to to take you into town. Or, conversely with the current set up, get an O-Bahn to one of the interchanges, and hope there's a connecting bus there for the local route home.
I would say that 50% of the buses that traverse the O-Bahn are in Go-Zones...15 minute daytime service (more frequent at peak hours) and 30 minutes at night.
I cant wait for the car park at the Paradise Interchange to open and watch the local residents squeal about all the traffic that has descended upon their area.
Hasn't the car park already opened.
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:39 am
by Eurostar
TorrensSA wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:26 pm
A lot of people drive to the O'Bahn because it's quicker, look at Athelstone, if you live near the shops you have to get a 178 bus in the wrong direction to get to Paradise (theres a few direct peak hour 579 buses) it would take 25min on the bus v 7min in the car to get to Paradise. A lot of the feeder buses for the closer suburbs are too windy and slow. The 500 / 501 routes on the other hand are direct and have few stops, it gets you to Ingle Farm in only 25min v an on road 203 which takes 40min+.
When I lived in Newton we had 176, 177, 576, 577
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:47 pm
by bits
Paradise already had 3 very significant park n ride carparks on both sides of Darley Road.
Darley Road was also always lined both sides of the road with cars on the street for about 1km from the Interchange.
I don't think locals would notice the difference.
Cars will continue to be everywhere near the Interchange.
It sounds to me that some here are underestimating just how busy Paradise Interchange already was. The car park wasn't being proactively built to try and bring people to the interchange. It is a reactive build to try and cope with the mass of users that are already there.
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:24 pm
by ChillyPhilly
At what point did an O-Bahn extension to Golden Grove need the acquisition of 41 dwellings?
Have I been living under a rock or did the project change overnight?
Either way, the Libs have predictably canned it.
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:12 pm
by rev
Here's a wild idea..why not connect the obahn with short tunnels here and there in the busiest parts of the city?
We know it's possible to send the obahn into a tunnel since we have a tunnel for the obahn..
Grenfell street...instead of a huge amount of buses on the surface, why not move most them underground into tunnels..a tunnel continued on from the obahn tunnel..Could have continued up to Glover Avenue with an entry/exit portal, north up King William with an entry/exit portal just before Pennington Terrace, and south down King William with an exit portal on the north eastern side of Vic Square and an entry portal on the north western side of it (those triangle add ons you know what I mean).
How many buses would have been removed from surface level traffic improving congestion and improving bus travel times through two of the main thoroughfares of our city/cbd?
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:55 am
by Mr Smith
rev wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:12 pm
Here's a wild idea..why not connect the obahn with short tunnels here and there in the busiest parts of the city?
We know it's possible to send the obahn into a tunnel since we have a tunnel for the obahn..
Grenfell street...instead of a huge amount of buses on the surface, why not move most them underground into tunnels..a tunnel continued on from the obahn tunnel..Could have continued up to Glover Avenue with an entry/exit portal, north up King William with an entry/exit portal just before Pennington Terrace, and south down King William with an exit portal on the north eastern side of Vic Square and an entry portal on the north western side of it (those triangle add ons you know what I mean).
How many buses would have been removed from surface level traffic improving congestion and improving bus travel times through two of the main thoroughfares of our city/cbd?
Not a wild idea at all. They have done the exact same thing in Brisbane. Works brilliantly
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:04 am
by Nort
It's looking at the problem the wrong way.
Grenfell street is a major commuter road where buses and cars compete. Rather than expensive tunneling, it would be far cheaper to make Grenfell and Currie street's more bus focused.
Completely removing cars from those street's isn't really practical due to the access needed. My favored radical solution would be to effectively turn it into two smaller roads. The South side becoming one lane each way for buses with indented bus stops, and the North side becoming one lane each way for other traffic (much like Pirie Street).
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:02 pm
by rev
Nort wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:04 am
It's looking at the problem the wrong way.
Grenfell street is a major commuter road where buses and cars compete. Rather than expensive tunneling, it would be far cheaper to make Grenfell and Currie street's more bus focused.
Completely removing cars from those street's isn't really practical due to the access needed. My favored radical solution would be to effectively turn it into two smaller roads. The South side becoming one lane each way for buses with indented bus stops, and the North side becoming one lane each way for other traffic (much like Pirie Street).
Problem with that is you force cars, and other vehicles, onto other roads. Are the other roads sufficient to cope with the increase?
The population will keep growing, all be it slower then other cities. Shouldn't these coming problems be addressed before they become a major problem, like they left South Road to become a major problem before doing something about it.
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:42 pm
by SBD
rev wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:02 pm
Nort wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:04 am
It's looking at the problem the wrong way.
Grenfell street is a major commuter road where buses and cars compete. Rather than expensive tunneling, it would be far cheaper to make Grenfell and Currie street's more bus focused.
Completely removing cars from those street's isn't really practical due to the access needed. My favored radical solution would be to effectively turn it into two smaller roads. The South side becoming one lane each way for buses with indented bus stops, and the North side becoming one lane each way for other traffic (much like Pirie Street).
Problem with that is you force cars, and other vehicles, onto other roads. Are the other roads sufficient to cope with the increase?
The population will keep growing, all be it slower then other cities. Shouldn't these coming problems be addressed before they become a major problem, like they left South Road to become a major problem before doing something about it.
Join up all the basements of buildings along Rundle Mall, and run an O-bahn tunnel with electric buses (to avoid diesel fumes) through them. The shops and arcades already provide natural bridges over the tracks.
Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:07 pm
by TorrensSA
Grenfell Street should be bus only, and have one east bound lane to access the Rundle Place carpark and that road should be left turn only at Hindmarsh Square. You can widen the footpaths, have good large bus shelters and make it nice. Move all North Tce buses to the new bus corridor.