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#16 Post by Will409 » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:03 pm

Norman, courtesy of the National Railway Museum archives, this station list of every station in SA is available. This should help you out with most of the suburban stations greatly.

http://www.natrailmuseum.org.au/downloa ... _alpha.xls
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#17 Post by Norman » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:36 pm

muzzamo wrote:i noticed you orphanned my photo of hallet cove beach station...
Oh, sorry about that. Which one should be used? I don't mind.
Will409 wrote:Norman, courtesy of the National Railway Museum archives, this station list of every station in SA is available. This should help you out with most of the suburban stations greatly.

http://www.natrailmuseum.org.au/downloa ... _alpha.xls
Thanks Will, I'll try to incorporate all those figures and details in the articles ASAP.

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Re: Wikipedia

#18 Post by muzzamo » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:46 pm

Norman wrote:Oh, sorry about that. Which one should be used? I don't mind.
It doesn't really matter the two photos were almost identical :-)

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#19 Post by Norman » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:24 pm

Another update. I've started Infoboxing the Gawler line, and will be taking photos of the remainer of the stations in the coming days. Most of those, however, will be done during cooler weather from next week.

Also, I've started to do some Tram stops as well, which I will complete after the trains. You can view the pilot articles here:
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#20 Post by AtD » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:51 pm

Nice work on the tram stops Norman, but be warned, there's a lot of debate about the boundaries of relevance for the articles in Wikipedia. It's going to be difficult for you to prove, if contested, that there's sufficient relevant information about the tram stops to warrant a separate article, as opposed to a blanket article "Stops of the Glenelg Tram Line" or something to that effect.

A year or three ago, someone from SenAdel (you? lol) started articles about specific Adelaide bus routes, and put a lot of work into them. "Wikipeida" decided that individual bus routes weren't encyclopaedic content, and they were deleted. The articles basically re-hashed information from Adelaide Metro's website, so I'd have to agree with the decision.

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#21 Post by Norman » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:51 pm

AtD wrote:Nice work on the tram stops Norman, but be warned, there's a lot of debate about the boundaries of relevance for the articles in Wikipedia. It's going to be difficult for you to prove, if contested, that there's sufficient relevant information about the tram stops to warrant a separate article, as opposed to a blanket article "Stops of the Glenelg Tram Line" or something to that effect.

A year or three ago, someone from SenAdel (you? lol) started articles about specific Adelaide bus routes, and put a lot of work into them. "Wikipeida" decided that individual bus routes weren't encyclopaedic content, and they were deleted. The articles basically re-hashed information from Adelaide Metro's website, so I'd have to agree with the decision.
Yeah, that was me :oops: However, I do believe the tram stops are relavent, as they are more light rail stops than tram stops. IF Wikipedia decide to delete them, so be it, but I guess I can try.

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#22 Post by muzzamo » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:03 pm

You probably already know this but there is no "wikipedia" that decides to delete them. Unfortunately the reality is far more complex :-(

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#23 Post by AtD » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:06 pm

muzzamo wrote:You probably already know this but there is no "wikipedia" that decides to delete them. Unfortunately the reality is far more complex :-(
Hence the quotation marks. :)

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#24 Post by Will409 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:49 pm

Norman, I have just noticed that you have included the former line from Salisbury to Penfield No. 3 (for those who have not heard of the line, the stations were numbered, I kid you not). I have 4 photos of Penfield No. 3 station from 2006 if you are interested. Nearly got a good talking to by a security guard of the RAAF base too! I can also direct you to a website which has a number of photos from the line. If you email the guy who took the photo and asked nicely, he could give you the go ahead to use those photos.

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#25 Post by Norman » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:07 pm

Will409 wrote:Norman, I have just noticed that you have included the former line from Salisbury to Penfield No. 3 (for those who have not heard of the line, the stations were numbered, I kid you not). I have 4 photos of Penfield No. 3 station from 2006 if you are interested. Nearly got a good talking to by a security guard of the RAAF base too! I can also direct you to a website which has a number of photos from the line. If you email the guy who took the photo and asked nicely, he could give you the go ahead to use those photos.

http://www.david-phillips.fotopic.net/c656079.html
That wasn't me who created the articles, I'm just upgrading the current ones. I may, however, also upgrade the articles of closed stations in the near future.

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#26 Post by SRW » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:58 am

Norman wrote: Yeah, that was me :oops: However, I do believe the tram stops are relavent, as they are more light rail stops than tram stops. IF Wikipedia decide to delete them, so be it, but I guess I can try.
That doesn't make them relevant. And relevance doesn't really factor on Wikipedia anyway. Verifiability, and also Notability, is what matters. I'd suggest your tram stop articles satisfy neither and are ripe candidates for deletion.

You might want to look at what has been done for the Melbourne tram system. It's been a while since I've been trawled through those pages, and I'm presently too tired to look, but I believe they have articles on tram routes rather than stops. That doesn't apply to Adelaide, of course, given we've a sole route. Perhaps you ought to just concentrate your efforts on the Glenelg Tram article (or even Trams in Adelaide).
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#27 Post by monotonehell » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:21 am

SRW wrote:
Norman wrote: Yeah, that was me :oops: However, I do believe the tram stops are relavent, as they are more light rail stops than tram stops. IF Wikipedia decide to delete them, so be it, but I guess I can try.
That doesn't make them relevant. And relevance doesn't really factor on Wikipedia anyway. Verifiability, and also Notability, is what matters. I'd suggest your tram stop articles satisfy neither and are ripe candidates for deletion.

You might want to look at what has been done for the Melbourne tram system. It's been a while since I've been trawled through those pages, and I'm presently too tired to look, but I believe they have articles on tram routes rather than stops. That doesn't apply to Adelaide, of course, given we've a sole route. Perhaps you ought to just concentrate your efforts on the Glenelg Tram article (or even Trams in Adelaide).
You might have better luck adding the tram stop info to the article for their respective suburbs (where they exist) instead of creating a stand alone article. Tram stops are not very notable unless something verifiable happened there. Same goes for bus stops, and railway stations for that matter.
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Re: Wikipedia

#28 Post by Norman » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:52 pm

Update:
-Belair Line: Info Box and Photo 100% complete
-Gawler Line: 60% Info Box Complete, 30% Photo Compete
-Grange Line: Info Box and Photo (100% complete)
-Noarlunga Line: 100% Info Box Complete, 90% Photo Complete
-Outer Harbor Line: 100% Info Box Complete, 85% Photo Complete
-Tonsley Line: Info Box and Photo 100% complete

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Re: Wikipedia

#29 Post by Will409 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:11 pm

As a note on the Tonsely line, all the stations were opened at the same time as the line in 1966. Mitchell Park and Clovelly Park stations still retain their SAR vintage shelters while Tonsely station had the current bus shelter installed c.1999-2001. The shelter at Tonsely was different to the other two and from what few photos I have found, was identical to that at Chidda, Parafield Gardens and Greenfields.
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#30 Post by monotonehell » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:07 am

Will409 wrote:As a note on the Tonsely line, all the stations were opened at the same time as the line in 1966. Mitchell Park and Clovelly Park stations still retain their SAR vintage shelters while Tonsely station had the current bus shelter installed c.1999-2001. The shelter at Tonsely was different to the other two and from what few photos I have found, was identical to that at Chidda, Parafield Gardens and Greenfields.
Can you cite your sources for that? ;) This is Wikipedia after all.
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