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claybro wrote:Re the Gepps Cross intersection and the varying points further Northeast. I believe that
1. The most likely outcome for the Northeast Corridor is a conversion of the O Bahn to heavy or light rail as this is mainly a commuter area.(freeways should not be built for commuters)
2. Without the Modbury freeway, it will not be worthwhile sending the PREXY east up Montague road to feed this area.
3. Commercial traffic needs to get from the Southeast entry point SE Freeway to the Northwestern suburbs.
4. An upgrade of Grand junction provides the most direct route for(3)
5. An upgrade of Grand Junction would solve the Gepps Cross problem, AND provide an East West solution for the mid Northern suburbs.
6. Traffic patterns in the Northern suburbs will be moved further West with the completion of the Northern Connector, further solving congestion on Main North road.

Aidan wrote:Shuz, what you refer to as my "ridiculous notion" is actually standard practice among engineers and planners (and indeed anyone who takes an interest in roads) the world over. And with good reason: it accurately describes the situation.

Using x to mean + is a mistake - that's all there is to it. Of course this board isn't the first place people made that mistake and it won't be the last - but AFAIK it is the only place I know of where people, when informed of their error, still try to argue that it's not an error and 3x3 really does equal 6.

Using 3x3 to mean 3+3 is like claiming we should make the Dukes Highway safer by making it a duel carriageway!

[Shuz] wrote:Oh for the love of God, who cares.

I say 3x3, when I mean 3+3. At the end of the day, it's the same fucking thing

Nathan wrote:

I say 3x3, when I mean 3+3. At the end of the day, it's the same fucking thing

Do you actually read through what you write, or have you realised you've dug yourself too far into your position that you must continue to defend it regardless of logic?

rev wrote:A round about will fix it.

claybro wrote:Re the Gepps Cross intersection and the varying points further Northeast. I believe that
1. The most likely outcome for the Northeast Corridor is a conversion of the O Bahn to heavy or light rail as this is mainly a commuter area.(freeways should not be built for commuters)
2. Without the Modbury freeway, it will not be worthwhile sending the PREXY east up Montague road to feed this area.
3. Commercial traffic needs to get from the Southeast entry point SE Freeway to the Northwestern suburbs.
4. An upgrade of Grand junction provides the most direct route for(3)
5. An upgrade of Grand Junction would solve the Gepps Cross problem, AND provide an East West solution for the mid Northern suburbs.
6. Traffic patterns in the Northern suburbs will be moved further West with the completion of the Northern Connector, further solving congestion on Main North road.

rev wrote: Why not divert the end of Port Wakefield Road to just north of the Drive In's to meet up with Main North Road there?

[Shuz] wrote:

[Shuz] wrote:Oh for the love of God, who cares.

If I just may point out - the 'experts' always refer to it verbally as 'three by three'. If we're going to get 'technical', mathematically speaking, 'by' also means times, multiplied, etc. So in the verbal context, and I quote you, Aidan, "using x to mean + is a mistake". Oh, the horror! Won't someone please think of the children! #sarcasm

So on the one hand, verbally its said three 'by' three, when 'technically' they actually mean three 'and' three, or three 'plus' three. Same goes for the written translation. I say 3x3, when I mean 3+3. At the end of the day, it's the same fucking thing. I don't imagine that you are going to get into the habit of correcting every single person whenever they verbally say it 'three by three'.

Even if 3x3 was to be interpreted literally, how would that configuration even work? Three lanes one way, three lanes the other way, and three lanes... err... just because? I don't think such a configuration even exists. 2+2 and 2x2 both equal four, so there's no argument there to be had.

And in the one instance where 4x4 were to be interpreted literally (16 lanes in total) doesn't exist either. As far as I'm aware, the 401 Freeway in Toronto - which is the widest freeway in the world comes close (14 lanes total) as it consists of seven lanes, broken up into two segments going one way, three lanes, and the other four, and another seven lanes in two segments of three and four lanes in the other direction. (see pic below) To some, this would be 4+3+3+4, or to others, 7+7 or 7x7.

Hooligan wrote:If I buy a car that says it's a 4x4 on it does that mean I have 16 wheel drive?

Hooligan wrote:Yes, yes it was.

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And i'd do it again.