SA's Population Growth Hits A 14-year High

[Will]

Yes, Labor aims to keep the average "arsehole" (your term) satisfied. The Libs, on the other hand, aim at polarising society, keeping the rich arseholes satisfied and stomping on the average arseholes in a desperate and transparent bid to get rid of the middle class and create a realm of a few Haves and a lot of Have Nots.

So now we are getting 6 new big schools. None in Burnside, and rightly so. The Liberals advice is "enroll your kids in private education". That way the rich arseholes get educated, while the average arseholes scrape together whatever education they can achieve in rotting schools that the previous government didn't give a shit about. Didn't give a shit about the teachers either. Keep as many of them as you can on short term contracts cos it's cheaper, and they'll get sick of it and leave, and we can bring new ones in at the lowest pay rate. Now there's futuristic vision for you (not).

Invest in Public transport? People in Burnside don't need public transport, that's for the "average arseholes" - the Libs aren't going to spend public money on something the Haves aren't gonna use! They got cars! Spend the public transport money on roads! Wankers.

Yes, thank god for Mike Rann and his vision, I'll back him all the way. Things might not be moving as fast as you'd like, bdm, but they're moving faster and better than they were under the Liberal government.

Very well said!

I find bdm's posts very confusing. He attacks Labor for not having vision, yet Kerin's liberals were not renowned for their vision. The liberals were and still are the party without a vision. At the last election they presented a mish mash of rhetoric and populist policies like changing 50 speed zones to 60 and scrapping the tram extension.

And the state budget was visionary. It is investing in the future of this state. The huge funding increases to health and education will ensure that every South Australian, not just the Burnside bourgeoisie gets proper education and proper healthcare. The quality of such should not depend on the quantity of money in your wallet.

[bdm]

I didn't say the Liberals were any better, and I didnt' vote for them last election. I'm just saying that Labor doesn't deserve any of the praise you're giving them.

Its you guys who've turned on the 'class' factor, not me.

[Mants]

Yes, Labor aims to keep the average "arsehole" (your term) satisfied. The Libs, on the other hand, aim at polarising society, keeping the rich arseholes satisfied and stomping on the average arseholes in a desperate and transparent bid to get rid of the middle class and create a realm of a few Haves and a lot of Have Nots.

So now we are getting 6 new big schools. None in Burnside, and rightly so. The Liberals advice is "enroll your kids in private education". That way the rich arseholes get educated, while the average arseholes scrape together whatever education they can achieve in rotting schools that the previous government didn't give a shit about. Didn't give a shit about the teachers either. Keep as many of them as you can on short term contracts cos it's cheaper, and they'll get sick of it and leave, and we can bring new ones in at the lowest pay rate. Now there's futuristic vision for you (not).

few of the best public schools in Adelaide are in and around Burnside...Glenunga International, Marryatville, Norwood Morialta, and theyre better than half the Private schools anywhere else. i got tonnes of friends (burnside residents) that go to these schools, private education is overrated, some of the schools are really good, and obviously get the results, but if u look at somewhere like nwd-mori, its one of the best schools in the state, and is right at the heart of a liberal area

Invest in Public transport? People in Burnside don't need public transport, that's for the "average arseholes" - the Libs aren't going to spend public money on something the Haves aren't gonna use! They got cars! Spend the public transport money on roads! Wankers.

I live in Burnside, i use public transport, so does everyone in my household, its something which affects EVERYBODY, regardless of whether you live in parafield or st.georges...


Thanks for the generalisations rhino…

Some people round this forum jump at every opportunity to criticise the libs, nimbys or burnside/north Adelaide residents, then those who try and defend them get rolled. Not all of us are rich stuck up bastards, its just a small minority

[rhino]

Genuine apologies for the generalizations guys.

Mants, I agree there are some very good public schools in Adelaide, in fact I would go so far as to say that in South Australia we now have a very good public education system. However I still stick by my claim that the previous government promoted private education and did not spend much money at all on public education - the eastern suburbs schools which you mention may have received funding, considering their location.

With regard to public transport,
1) it's high time some money got thrown its way
2) Trams / light rail is the cleanest (greenest) fastest and most efficeint way to move a lot of people, using buses on feeder routes.
3) This government is promoting trams / light rail use
4) The previous government did stuff-all for public transport, and are now, in opposition, crying out that money is being wasted on laying tracks in the roads and would be better spent on improving roads.

And then there's the public hospitals that got sold off to private concerns that were more interested in turning a profit than making sure there were enough beds.

Forced mergers of councils which now provide fewer services at greater cost. (Why were they so hot on that?)

Bdm, if Labor doesn't deserve any praise, who are we to thank for the fact that things are moving ahead? Who is driving?

[bdm]

Bdm, if Labor doesn't deserve any praise, who are we to thank for the fact that things are moving ahead? Who is driving?

If we're 'moving ahead', we're doing so at a ridiculously slow pace. None of the parties deserve any real praise because there hasn't been and real moving ahead.

When someone, regardless of party affiliation, lifts our growth to 5% and our pop growth to 1.5%, then I'll be satisfied. Right now, we're lagging--and getting poorer and older in comparison with the other states every year.

I don't know why we don't extend the tram line to Norwood, electrify the heavy rail system and built a southern O-Bahn. Surely those projects could be achieved in an 8-10 year period.

[rhino]

The southern O'Bahn was looked into a decade or so ago. The route to Darlington would utilize the old Glenelg train route, then the Sturt River linear park - not the most direct route. Then there was no-where to go. No point putting an O'Bahn up the hill, as busses are speed-limited by the incline anyway.

[Will]

Bdm, if Labor doesn't deserve any praise, who are we to thank for the fact that things are moving ahead? Who is driving?

If we're 'moving ahead', we're doing so at a ridiculously slow pace. None of the parties deserve any real praise because there hasn't been and real moving ahead.

If we were stagnated like you claim we would not have such a low unemployment rate, and our CBD would look like it did in 1996; i.e. 20% vacancy rate, no construction, no investment, no cranes...

After the incidents of the past, this state will not go from negative growth to the boom conditions that you speak of overnight.

[bdm]

Bdm, if Labor doesn't deserve any praise, who are we to thank for the fact that things are moving ahead? Who is driving?

If we're 'moving ahead', we're doing so at a ridiculously slow pace. None of the parties deserve any real praise because there hasn't been and real moving ahead.

If we were stagnated like you claim we would not have such a low unemployment rate, and our CBD would look like it did in 1996; i.e. 20% vacancy rate, no construction, no investment, no cranes...

After the incidents of the past, this state will not go from negative growth to the boom conditions that you speak of overnight.

Employment rates say little, really--workers wasted in a bloated public service, dying manufacturing industries, etc. Have a look at other figures: per capita GSP, growth rate, level of education, industrial growth rate, export rates, etc. They're not climbing fast.

The current CBD boom is mainly people changing offices!

Demand more. Don't be satisfied.

[rhino]

A bloated public service? There's hardly enough public servants left to offer a public service.

Dying manufacturing industries is pretty much a fact of life these days. If there's something to be made that everyone is going to want - cars, whitegoods - they can be made overseas and imported cheaper than making them here. The alternative is to have wages that match those in China.

per capita GSP, growth rate, level of education, industrial growth rate, export rates, etc. They're not climbing fast. But they are climbing, and the rate at which they're climbing is increasing. A smaller population (which is growing) and a smaller percentage of arable land are hinderances.

Any ideas on how the rates could be increased, bdm?

[Ho Really]

SA will have no real growth unless we do something drastic about our (potable) water.

Cheers

[bdm]

A bloated public service? There's hardly enough public servants left to offer a public service.

Dying manufacturing industries is pretty much a fact of life these days. If there's something to be made that everyone is going to want - cars, whitegoods - they can be made overseas and imported cheaper than making them here. The alternative is to have wages that match those in China.

per capita GSP, growth rate, level of education, industrial growth rate, export rates, etc. They're not climbing fast. But they are climbing, and the rate at which they're climbing is increasing. A smaller population (which is growing) and a smaller percentage of arable land are hinderances.

Any ideas on how the rates could be increased, bdm?

Improve Infrastructure.
Simplify the tax system.
Lower our tax rates to the lowest in Australia.
Make sure all costs are the lowest in Australia.
Compete against interstate and foreign universities by encouraging students to study here (offer an SA HECS rebate and cheap but quality accomodation near the CBD). We'll have more young people here to pay to study, more young people here to spend their money, and more young people here to consider staying and getting a job.
Promote families and make having them easy.
Take people who lead an unhealthy lifestyle off government health services until they shapen up.
Close all unrequired public schools; redo the curriculum to make it knowledge based and get rid of the 'outcomes based education' crap.
Give the finger to the unions that stand in the way of development, reform and growth.
Remove pointless 'propaganda' departments from the PS ('you are here' bullshit, 'we are one' multicultural crap).
Override residents and councils when they stand in the way of appropriate development.
Put wealth growth ahead of wealth distribution.
Offer grants and investment into technology and science industries.
Cooperate with manufacturing industries to wean them onto newer and more effective vehicles (turn tarrifs and grants into R&D money for better products)
Instigate a huge immigration program.
Reopen the Housing Trust for business and get it to actively compete against unreasonable developers; get it to build the cheap student housing near the CBD.
Petition the federal government for nuclear power development.
Catch every single scrap of water that comes from the hills and stop it going into the sea; purify it and sell it.

I could go on.

[rhino]

In your ideal world, that would work. Unfortunately, it means stomping on people to achieve what you want to achieve.

For example

Override residents and councils when they stand in the way of appropriate development. Who gets to decide what is appropriate development?

Put wealth growth ahead of wealth distribution. And polarise society into the Haves and Have Nots ...

Take people who lead an unhealthy lifestyle off government health services until they shapen up. Do you have any relatives who fall into this category (I don't expect an answer). Where do you think they would end up? It's a flippant comment to make if you're not affected.

schools; redo the curriculum to make it knowledge based and get rid of the 'outcomes based education' crap Just tell the kids who can't cope that they're idiots, and bugger their self esteem, they belong at the bottom end of society anyway? The outcomes based education is working. We're turning out the 4th highest most educated young adults in the world - we've dropped from 3rd but our bottom end is much, much more educated than it was under the old knowledge based system.

I could go on.
Instead, I'm going on holiday. Have a great Long Weekend everyone.

[Ho Really]

Override residents and councils when they stand in the way of appropriate development. Who gets to decide what is appropriate development?

Mike Rann of course.

Cheers

[Will]

Improve Infrastructure..

This government is doing a goog job in regard to infraestructure; lets remember the Bakewell Bridge, South road underpasses, the tram extension, new QEH, new Flinders medical centre and many more smaller projects. Although in a perfect world it would be better if there were more infraestructure projects underway, however where will the mone come from? budget cuts to health and education? school closures? more privatizations?

Simplify the tax system.
Lower our tax rates to the lowest in Australia.
Make sure all costs are the lowest in Australia.

This is another case of that in a perfect world it would be great if we all paid less tax, but once again if the government cuts tax, where will it raise its revenue from?

Compete against interstate and foreign universities by encouraging students to study here (offer an SA HECS rebate and cheap but quality accomodation near the CBD). We'll have more young people here to pay to study, more young people here to spend their money, and more young people here to consider staying and getting a job..

Aren't universities the responsibility of the federal government? Well anyway I completely disagree with getting more interstate students to come and study here. They will take the places of South Australians, who are then forced to move interstate never to come again. The interstate students wouldn't remain here after completing their degrees, they will mostly return to their home states.

Take people who lead an unhealthy lifestyle off government health services until they shapen up..

This is simply ridiculous, who will decide what is unhealthy and what is healthy? No-one is perfect. Also this proposal will worsen the health of the poor. I don't understand why you want to have a polarized society. I recommend you take a holiday in Latin America before preaching this.

Close all unrequired public schools;..

The state government anounced this in the budget.

redo the curriculum to make it knowledge based and get rid of the 'outcomes based education' crap.

This is probably one of the things that I agree with you; the current curriculum awards mediocrity whilst punishing the bright students. There is also too much emphasis on politically correct subjects and Aboriginal 'genocide'.

Give the finger to the unions that stand in the way of development, reform and growth..

Without the protection offered by the unions there would be oppression, exploitation and tyranny.

Remove pointless 'propaganda' departments from the PS ('you are here' bullshit, 'we are one' multicultural crap).

propaganda is an important tool in instilling a sense of state pride.

Override residents and councils when they stand in the way of appropriate development.

The state government has already done this, by removing planning powers from councils, and forcing them to have independent members on their DA panels to avoid the petty and ridiculous decisions sometimes made by councils.

Put wealth growth ahead of wealth distribution.

This would only make the rich richer and the poor poorer. what is the point of creating a polarized society? By making the working class poorer and disadvantaged you will only create a society full of resentment. And resentment leads to crime.
Also another result may be that SA would probably have the best economic statistics and figures, however these would be meaningless because as the rich would be made richer their huge salaries would influence the statistics and skew the statistics. I'll give you an example. If we have 10 people. 4 earn $30 000, 2 earn $35 000, 2 earn $45 000, 1 earns $50 000 and the other earns $400 000. The average wage of these people is $73 000. This is despite the majority of the workers earning less than this. You can see how how meaningless the statistics would be.

Offer grants and investment into technology and science industries.
Cooperate with manufacturing industries to wean them onto newer and more effective vehicles (turn tarrifs and grants into R&D money for better products).

agree

Instigate a huge immigration program.

The state government has managed to increase international immigration from the average of only 3000 when the liberals were last in power to the current figure of almost 9 000. This is a very significant increase. However immigration is largely the responsibility of the federal government so there is so much the state can do in this regard.

Reopen the Housing Trust for business and get it to actively compete against unreasonable developers; get it to build the cheap student housing near the CBD..

I really do not know much about the housing trust or how it operates, so not comment.

Petition the federal government for nuclear power development.

I agree

Catch every single scrap of water that comes from the hills and stop it going into the sea; purify it and sell it..

A better idea is to install rainwater tanks on every new home built and ensure all new buildings have an energy efficiency rating of 4 stars minimum. These are things the current state government has already employed. SA due to the vision of this state government is the leader in Australia in terms of renewable energy.

[Aseem]

Totally agree with you Steve.

Cheers
Aseem