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Bob wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:12 am

The simple message should have been a vision something along these lines:

We want a frequent passenger service from Mt Barker RS to Adelaide RS with a journey time of one hour including a stop at Belair to connect with Adelaide Metro services in addition to stops at 2-3 other locations YTBD between Mt Barker and Belair. On that basis can the government request their engineering resources to review the route and provide a report on what is required to make this possible.

The report would then have to include not only all the rail corridor modifications required but the cost, then this request could be submitted with the rest of the rail improvements needing review for priority status of funding allocation. I will speculate that the cost required will be much higher than people are expecting.

BTW – as before the 47 minute statement is inaccurate, the original daily Bridgewater express to ARS using 520 class steam locos in peak SAR operating condition took 50 minutes. This is the same loco class used by Steam ranger operating in a heritage speed restricted condition, so probably impossible to make the ARS - Bridgewater section in that time, let alone the entire ARS – Mt Barker route in the 47 minutes quoted.

marbles wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:38 am

am in a rush but the idea is sensational, however i heard an opposing opinion that stated the current freight trains that goes from adelaide already takes an hour to get to mt barker, and then you throw in stopping at every train station, hahndorf, bridgewate, algate stirling etc etc, how long is it gonna take to get to adelaide when by car it probably take 27 mins to get to adelaide on the freeway

can the train go direct from crafers to the city, via a tunnel or via norwood etc etc

marbles wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:06 am

we basically need a tunnel from torrens park/brownhill creek up to stirling/crafers and bypass all the blackwood crap lol

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PeFe wrote:How about a bus and high occupancy vehicle lane during peak hour on the SE freeway?

Backed up with surveillance cameras this would decongest the freeway and benefit people willing to use public transport.

whatstheirnamesmom wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:29 pm

PeFe wrote:How about a bus and high occupancy vehicle lane during peak hour on the SE freeway?

Backed up with surveillance cameras this would decongest the freeway and benefit people willing to use public transport.

I expect this to be the most likely outcome based on the current political parties - and it's not a half-bad idea

It's a good cost-effective short-term solution but I foresee a couple drawbacks:
* Backlash from motorists being reduced to 1 lane in peak (given truck lane, bus lane, normal lane config)
* No secondary corridor created (given congestion + accidents on SEF)
* Less per-trip capacity on a bus v train basis
* Less opportunity for regional rail/region activation
* Less incentive to work towards rail freight realignment for double-stacking purposes
* Less momentum + public support for rail projects generally

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SBD wrote: What is the descending speed of buses between Crafers and Glen Osmond these days? Are they faster than trucks, or are they both caught by the same heavy vehicle rules to ensure they have enough brakes to stop at the bottom? If they are the same speed, they probably don't need separate bus and truck lanes. If cars with multiple people go faster than buses, they can't sensibly share a lane without the same frustration.

SBD wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:04 pm

What is the descending speed of buses between Crafers and Glen Osmond these days? Are they faster than trucks, or are they both caught by the same heavy vehicle rules to ensure they have enough brakes to stop at the bottom? If they are the same speed, they probably don't need separate bus and truck lanes.

by Bob » Wed May 19, 2021 8:47 am

The real problem is neither the Liberal Party or the Labor Party have articulated a holistic plan for Adelaide Metro rail network and services, and therefore piecemeal thought bubbles, discussions and proposals keep popping up rather than working to an agreed masterplan, regardless of who is in Government.

These elements need to be put into a plan to decide the outcome with a masterplan and timeframes, and those elements that are rejected would need to be identified as such, that they will not be part of the future. Where is Infrastructure SA in all of this – this should be part of their remit, surely?

Would require a decision where the ARTC Ade-Mel rail link goes in the long term so planning for the Adelaide Metro rail network can make some of these decisions around that.

Here is my list that require a decision:

Rail gauge for the network – broad or standard
Level crossing removals
Grange branch line future
Port Adelaide CBD direct rail link
PA to OH heavy or light rail line including Osborne link
PA and/or OH electrification
Belair electrification
City direct underground link including new stations at Hindmarsh Sq and Victoria Sq
Identify key stations that double as multi transit hubs for upgrades
Identify stations for closure
Aldinga extension
Roseworthy extension
Concordia extension
Is rail viable to Mt Barker, if so, how

brizzlar wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:09 pm

marbles wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:38 am

am in a rush but the idea is sensational, however i heard an opposing opinion that stated the current freight trains that goes from adelaide already takes an hour to get to mt barker, and then you throw in stopping at every train station, hahndorf, bridgewate, algate stirling etc etc, how long is it gonna take to get to adelaide when by car it probably take 27 mins to get to adelaide on the freeway

can the train go direct from crafers to the city, via a tunnel or via norwood etc etc

In other states, they have express services that bypass a bunch of stations. I'd be advocating for those during Peak Period to get people to and from the city.. in Off peak, you could have services stopping all stations.

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Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:13 am

SBD wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:04 pm

What is the descending speed of buses between Crafers and Glen Osmond these days? Are they faster than trucks, or are they both caught by the same heavy vehicle rules to ensure they have enough brakes to stop at the bottom? If they are the same speed, they probably don't need separate bus and truck lanes.

So instead of an out-of-control truck plowing into a number of cars at the bottom of the freeway and injuring or killing only a handful of people (not trying to downplay, but looking at accidents individually the numbers of victims have never been massive), it would instead rear-end a bus (or multiple single-file buses) full of people with no seatbelts and some passengers probably standing, causing significantly more injuries or fatalities in the same kind of accident?

A shared bus and truck lane sounds good on the surface, but I dread to think of the headlines...

NTRabbit wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:54 pm

The line doesn't even go through Hahndorf - after Belair it's just Mount Lofty, Heathfield (gone), Aldgate, Bridgewater (gone), Balhannah, Mount Barker Junction, and Mount Barker. In a reconsituted service I'd argue that Heathfield and Bridgewater stay gone, Balhannah isn't big enough to warrant its own station, and Mount Barker Junction doesn't need to exist because the junction is historical only.

Mount Barker, Aldgate, Mount Lofty, Belair, express to Adelaide is all the line would need to be. The actual problem would be finding room for the park n rides for people driving to a station from the other towns.

• Mount Barker Line stopping at Showground or Goodwood, Mitcham, Belair, Mount Lofty, Aldgate, Bridgewater, Verdun Interchange, (Hahndorf), Mount Barker Interchange, (Blakiston).

• The Overland stopping at Adelaide and Mount Barker Interchange.

NTRabbit wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:54 pm

brizzlar wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:09 pm

marbles wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:38 am

am in a rush but the idea is sensational, however i heard an opposing opinion that stated the current freight trains that goes from adelaide already takes an hour to get to mt barker, and then you throw in stopping at every train station, hahndorf, bridgewate, algate stirling etc etc, how long is it gonna take to get to adelaide when by car it probably take 27 mins to get to adelaide on the freeway

can the train go direct from crafers to the city, via a tunnel or via norwood etc etc

In other states, they have express services that bypass a bunch of stations. I'd be advocating for those during Peak Period to get people to and from the city.. in Off peak, you could have services stopping all stations.

The line doesn't even go through Hahndorf - after Belair it's just Mount Lofty, Heathfield (gone), Aldgate, Bridgewater (gone), Balhannah, Mount Barker Junction, and Mount Barker. In a reconsituted service I'd argue that Heathfield and Bridgewater stay gone, Balhannah isn't big enough to warrant its own station, and Mount Barker Junction doesn't need to exist because the junction is historical only.

Mount Barker, Aldgate, Mount Lofty, Belair, express to Adelaide is all the line would need to be. The actual problem would be finding room for the park n rides for people driving to a station from the other towns.