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From Kennard's Storage website:

Yuck

abc wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:15 pm

I don't see the value in retaining the existing building for self storage. Self storage facilities need car & trailer access to be able to deposit and access furniture etc.
This is not a warehouse.

A mail sorting centre is liekly to have physical infrastructure that can move bulky goods within the premises and be repurposed for self storage. It's always better to be purpose built rather than retrofitted, but I believe Kennards would only be doing this because they know the underlying layout and mechanics of the building can make it work. Self storage facilties usually have a combination of the drive up access units with their own roller door to the internal roadway (which are of course the preference for house moving etc). They also have the built structures with internal units which are planned in a way usually to be accessible using trolleys or pallet jacks. A loading dock facility to the side can make it workable for vehicle unloading, but the external units will always be better. The underlying economics of it is the internal units won't be as good, but that's reflected in the pricing structure. The facility makes back the lower yield on the internal units by being able to group them together more tightly (no roadway that isn't contributing to the rent roll). So it's lower yield per unit (net), but higher or equal yield for the whole site (gross).

I heard today from a colleague in the know that the plans for this are really impressive/well thought through. Some kind of central sculptured building around 20 stories.

Application lodged yesterday:

237 GROTE ST ADELAIDE SA 5000
UNDER ASSESSMENT
Description
Mixed-use staged development comprising five (5) towers to a maximum height of 27 levels and 95.4m, including tourist accommodation and four residential flat buildings, together with shared basement and podium carparking, ground to third level commercial and retail uses, and associated landscaping, swimming pools, public realm improvements, and rooftop solar panels.

Ben wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:08 am

Application lodged yesterday:

237 GROTE ST ADELAIDE SA 5000
UNDER ASSESSMENT
Description
Mixed-use staged development comprising five (5) towers to a maximum height of 27 levels and 95.4m, including tourist accommodation and four residential flat buildings, together with shared basement and podium carparking, ground to third level commercial and retail uses, and associated landscaping, swimming pools, public realm improvements, and rooftop solar panels.

Great outcome! Done right and depending on the success of this development, we could see this being similar catalyst development to what Maras did with the East End in the years after the markets closed. There are so many neighbouring sites that could be turned over into residential i.e. the former SAE Institute building, Shell/Hungry Jacks, the old Freedom furniture, and even further up Grote Street the massive empty block. Also could have the long term opportunity for better pedestrianisation of West Terrace which is something that has long been talked about at a local government level.

Patrick_27 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:45 am

Ben wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:08 am

Application lodged yesterday:

237 GROTE ST ADELAIDE SA 5000
UNDER ASSESSMENT
Description
Mixed-use staged development comprising five (5) towers to a maximum height of 27 levels and 95.4m, including tourist accommodation and four residential flat buildings, together with shared basement and podium carparking, ground to third level commercial and retail uses, and associated landscaping, swimming pools, public realm improvements, and rooftop solar panels.

Great outcome! Done right and depending on the success of this development, we could see this being similar catalyst development to what Maras did with the East End in the years after the markets closed. There are so many neighbouring sites that could be turned over into residential i.e. the former SAE Institute building, Shell/Hungry Jacks, the old Freedom furniture, and even further up Grote Street the massive empty block. Also could have the long term opportunity for better pedestrianisation of West Terrace which is something that has long been talked about at a local government level.

95m seems quite high for that end of town... that must be right on the CASA limit

abc wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:20 pm

Patrick_27 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:45 am

Ben wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:08 am

Application lodged yesterday:

Great outcome! Done right and depending on the success of this development, we could see this being similar catalyst development to what Maras did with the East End in the years after the markets closed. There are so many neighbouring sites that could be turned over into residential i.e. the former SAE Institute building, Shell/Hungry Jacks, the old Freedom furniture, and even further up Grote Street the massive empty block. Also could have the long term opportunity for better pedestrianisation of West Terrace which is something that has long been talked about at a local government level.

95m seems quite high for that end of town... that must be right on the CASA limit

The towers approved for behind the Newmarket Hotel were slightly over 100m iirc, and that is as close to flight paths as you can go in the CBD

Patrick_27 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:45 am

Ben wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:08 am

Application lodged yesterday:

237 GROTE ST ADELAIDE SA 5000
UNDER ASSESSMENT
Description
Mixed-use staged development comprising five (5) towers to a maximum height of 27 levels and 95.4m, including tourist accommodation and four residential flat buildings, together with shared basement and podium carparking, ground to third level commercial and retail uses, and associated landscaping, swimming pools, public realm improvements, and rooftop solar panels.

Great outcome! Done right and depending on the success of this development, we could see this being similar catalyst development to what Maras did with the East End in the years after the markets closed. There are so many neighbouring sites that could be turned over into residential i.e. the former SAE Institute building, Shell/Hungry Jacks, the old Freedom furniture, and even further up Grote Street the massive empty block. Also could have the long term opportunity for better pedestrianisation of West Terrace which is something that has long been talked about at a local government level.

If the state government completed a tram loop from RAH back to Vic Square, residential development in this neglected part of the CBD would go into overdrive!! Would be highly desirable to live here with a redeveloped Central Market nearby and continued expansion of the Gouger St dining precinct.

Wouldn’t it be a great look for tourists/visitors heading from the airport into the CBD along a newly-landscaped Grote St with a tram linking back to Vic Square, and dozens of new apartment buildings on the western side of the CBD.

Patrick_27 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:45 am

Also could have the long term opportunity for better pedestrianisation of West Terrace which is something that has long been talked about at a local government level.

Ooo, could you expand on this or point me towards previous discussion? I haven't paid attention to/heard any talk of improving West Tce in any way, especially for pedestrians.

whatstheirnamesmom wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:02 pm

Patrick_27 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:45 am

Also could have the long term opportunity for better pedestrianisation of West Terrace which is something that has long been talked about at a local government level.

Ooo, could you expand on this or point me towards previous discussion? I haven't paid attention to/heard any talk of improving West Tce in any way, especially for pedestrians.

There were exercises done over a decade ago as part of Integrated Design Commission's 5000+ project.
https://www.docdroid.net/HrGBPO6/lote-f ... rt-web-pdf

Cryptic wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:23 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:20 pm

Patrick_27 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:45 am

Great outcome! Done right and depending on the success of this development, we could see this being similar catalyst development to what Maras did with the East End in the years after the markets closed. There are so many neighbouring sites that could be turned over into residential i.e. the former SAE Institute building, Shell/Hungry Jacks, the old Freedom furniture, and even further up Grote Street the massive empty block. Also could have the long term opportunity for better pedestrianisation of West Terrace which is something that has long been talked about at a local government level.

95m seems quite high for that end of town... that must be right on the CASA limit

The towers approved for behind the Newmarket Hotel were slightly over 100m iirc, and that is as close to flight paths as you can go in the CBD

that's closer to the landing path, but the landing path doesn't fly over the CBD, it flies over North Adelaide
the take off path goes directly over the southern end of the CBD

abc wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:01 pm

Cryptic wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:23 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:20 pm

95m seems quite high for that end of town... that must be right on the CASA limit

The towers approved for behind the Newmarket Hotel were slightly over 100m iirc, and that is as close to flight paths as you can go in the CBD

that's closer to the landing path, but the landing path doesn't fly over the CBD, it flies over North Adelaide
the take off path goes directly over the southern end of the CBD

The departure path usually goes directly over the north west CBD and then toward the south east of the CBD, so theoretically the Newmarket Hotel should have the most strict CASA regulation, although im not sure what the specific regulation is.

Ben wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:08 am

Application lodged yesterday:

237 GROTE ST ADELAIDE SA 5000
UNDER ASSESSMENT
Description
Mixed-use staged development comprising five (5) towers to a maximum height of 27 levels and 95.4m, including tourist accommodation and four residential flat buildings, together with shared basement and podium carparking, ground to third level commercial and retail uses, and associated landscaping, swimming pools, public realm improvements, and rooftop solar panels.

Where did you find this application? I can't see it anywhere on the SCAP minutes/agenda.

dbl96 wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:16 pm

Ben wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:08 am

Application lodged yesterday:

237 GROTE ST ADELAIDE SA 5000
UNDER ASSESSMENT
Description
Mixed-use staged development comprising five (5) towers to a maximum height of 27 levels and 95.4m, including tourist accommodation and four residential flat buildings, together with shared basement and podium carparking, ground to third level commercial and retail uses, and associated landscaping, swimming pools, public realm improvements, and rooftop solar panels.

Where did you find this application? I can't see it anywhere on the SCAP minutes/agenda.

https://plan.sa.gov.au/development_appl ... h=Adelaide page 5