[COM] Re: Victoria Square Upgrade - $24m
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:12 pm
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Whilst I admire your insight, it wouldn't work.RoiMartel wrote:YES,YES,YES!!!!! Make it happen!!!!!!!!!!!!MessiahAndrw wrote:I know this would have been politically unviable, but imagine if they would pedestrianise the ring of roads around Victoria Square. Victoria Square is my 2nd favourite square after Moseley Square in Glenelg, mostly because Moseley Square doesn't have a road wrapped around it. It's 100% continuous people space. If Victoria Square ran straight up to the building fronts, it would easily be, in my opinion, The Best Square in Adelaide, worthy of any world city.
So imagine if Victoria square did not have a ring of roads around it, and instead extended all of the way up to the building fronts. It would be surrounded by premium office and residential space, since you could simply ride a lift to the ground floor and step outside into The Best Square in Adelaide. Restaurants can put seating in front of their shop and customers can actually sit in The Best Square in Adelaide, and not on the footpath across the street to The Best Square in Adelaide.
Concerning traffic:
- The cheap option that would tick off motorists: Pedestrianising Victoria Square would deduce demand so you'll see less motorists using the CBD as a thoroughfare. We are working on the North-South Corridor to handle much of this traffic.
- The expensive option that would please motorists: Connecting Wakefield St/Grote Street and King William Street with an underpass under The Best Square in Adelaide.
What do you think?
This is why we keep coming back to either running KWS right down the middle (it's a bit late for that now with the work that has been done on the northern side). Or pushing KWS to one side.Patrick_27 wrote:Whilst I admire your insight, it wouldn't work.RoiMartel wrote:YES,YES,YES!!!!! Make it happen!!!!!!!!!!!!MessiahAndrw wrote:I know this would have been politically unviable, but imagine if they would pedestrianise the ring of roads around Victoria Square. Victoria Square is my 2nd favourite square after Moseley Square in Glenelg, mostly because Moseley Square doesn't have a road wrapped around it. It's 100% continuous people space. If Victoria Square ran straight up to the building fronts, it would easily be, in my opinion, The Best Square in Adelaide, worthy of any world city.
So imagine if Victoria square did not have a ring of roads around it, and instead extended all of the way up to the building fronts. It would be surrounded by premium office and residential space, since you could simply ride a lift to the ground floor and step outside into The Best Square in Adelaide. Restaurants can put seating in front of their shop and customers can actually sit in The Best Square in Adelaide, and not on the footpath across the street to The Best Square in Adelaide.
Concerning traffic:
- The cheap option that would tick off motorists: Pedestrianising Victoria Square would deduce demand so you'll see less motorists using the CBD as a thoroughfare. We are working on the North-South Corridor to handle much of this traffic.
- The expensive option that would please motorists: Connecting Wakefield St/Grote Street and King William Street with an underpass under The Best Square in Adelaide.
What do you think?
This isn't even about the disadvantage it would be for cars (I don't really care about cars ), you can't just block off two of the primary city thoroughfares for buses... Sure, you could re-direct them, but that would be completely unproductive. However... If you were to create access roads for buses and service vehicles only, then I'd probably agree with your idea more.
Of course there isn'tSRW wrote:This article about the incomplete and unsuccessful nature of Victoria Square as a public space and place of reconciliation at CityMag made me wonder: whither the redevelopment? Is there no-one in the current council or state government interested in seeing the masterplan (which so motivated us all on this forum back in 2010) completed? Such a shame.
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We all know that. The inference here is who's responsibility it is to finish the job! Mpo03 is obviously anti Liberal Party so if something doesn't get done, it's their fault rather than the the responsible body which in this case is the most inept council in the Universe.
That's very harsh. The council can only do what it can with the budget it has.wilkiebarkid wrote:We all know that. The inference here is who's responsibility it is to finish the job! Mpo03 is obviously anti Liberal Party so if something doesn't get done, it's their fault rather than the the responsible body which in this case is the most inept council in the Universe.
I'm not wholly convinced by that layout (it was one of the options considered for the masterplan) but I do agree that, whatever happens, the square MUST be dealt with at the same time as the Central Market redevelopment. Which should really on the agenda by now given the 2017 EOI expressed 2020 as the construction start date. (And while we're throwing ideas around, I still think the Le Corden Bleu/Tourism & Hospitality School should be based in the market).