Deregulation of Shop Trading Hours

[SBD]

Rob Lucas is pretty sleazy for using medical reasons to satisfy his political agenda.

I don't think he's unique in that. Politicians of all colours seem to be able to include their political message in their comments, even (or especially) if it immediately follows "I don't want to make this political".

[SRW]

If parliament were sitting, it’d be interesting to see if Labor moved a disallowance on the minister’s regulation.

[neoballmon]

Indaily---[url=https://indaily.com.au/news/2020/05/12/ ... ay-may-12/] Lucas has allowed extended trading hours throughout the pandemic, using rolling 30-day exemptions, citing SA Health advice that longer hours help facilitate social distancing.

The new 30-day exemption will apply from May 20 to June 18, allowing supermarkets to trade for 24 hours on weekdays, from 12am to 9pm on Saturdays and from 9am to 9pm on Sundays.

I work for Coles and over the last few months have not seen much "spread" of shopping habits through these extended hours.

Closing at 10pm was an absolute waste of time as there were more customers finishing their shop as it hit 9, than people walking in through the last hour.

Closing at 9 on weekends was much the same and even the current 6pm close on weekends just seems unnecessary.

9am open Sunday has some merit, and has probably been the most successful of the changes, but still nothing spectacular, and not as busy as being open at 9am through December.

ANZAC day being open for 5 hours was also much more successful than past Easter Monday's and Boxing days we had been open, so could be justified as a one-off due to the pandemic, but I think with stage 2 coming into affect, Queens Birthday should remain as it always has, and stay closed out of the CBD.

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[Verbatim9]

Pity the last deregulation effort didn't address weekdays and Saturdays.

They should have allowed trading from 6am-10pm Monday to Saturday as well as the Sunday extension from 9am and the Boxing Day trading.

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[A-Town]

Pity the last deregulation effort didn't address weekdays and Saturdays.

They should have allowed trading from 6am-10pm Monday to Saturday as well as the Sunday extension from 9am and the Boxing Day trading.

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Yep, it's embarrassing seeing Rundle Mall close up at 5pm on weekends on a warm summer evening when the precinct is still packed with shoppers.

The move to open shops at 9am on Sundays is a step in the right direction, albeit a very small one.

[Hex]

Yep, it's embarrassing seeing Rundle Mall close up at 5pm on weekends on a warm summer evening when the precinct is still packed with shoppers.

The move to open shops at 9am on Sundays is a step in the right direction, albeit a very small one.

Honestly it feels like the small change has ruined our chances at getting a real fix. It's now "good enough" so people aren't going to fight over making it "good". It's mind boggling how living in the CBD you have shorter opening hours than in rural towns.

[A-Town]

Yep, it's embarrassing seeing Rundle Mall close up at 5pm on weekends on a warm summer evening when the precinct is still packed with shoppers.

The move to open shops at 9am on Sundays is a step in the right direction, albeit a very small one.

Honestly it feels like the small change has ruined our chances at getting a real fix. It's now "good enough" so people aren't going to fight over making it "good". It's mind boggling how living in the CBD you have shorter opening hours than in rural towns.

Exactly, it's archaic and ridiculous. We have a situation where in Bridgewater shops are subject to the same rules that we have in metro Adelaide, but 10 minutes down the road in Mount Barker the same regulations don't exist.

The Libs tried to change our outdated laws a few years ago, but were quickly shut down by the union-controlled Labor.

[gnrc_louis]

Yep, it's embarrassing seeing Rundle Mall close up at 5pm on weekends on a warm summer evening when the precinct is still packed with shoppers.

The move to open shops at 9am on Sundays is a step in the right direction, albeit a very small one.

Honestly it feels like the small change has ruined our chances at getting a real fix. It's now "good enough" so people aren't going to fight over making it "good". It's mind boggling how living in the CBD you have shorter opening hours than in rural towns.

Exactly, it's archaic and ridiculous. We have a situation where in Bridgewater shops are subject to the same rules that we have in metro Adelaide, but 10 minutes down the road in Mount Barker the same regulations don't exist.

The Libs tried to change our outdated laws a few years ago, but were quickly shut down by the union-controlled Labor.

Labor + many small businesses who were against it also for their own reasons.

Shops in the mall such as Uniqlo and H&M shut at 5:30pm weekdays currently, despite being legally (I think) allowed to stay open 'til 9: https://www.safework.sa.gov.au/industry ... ding-hours. I find this disappointing considering the foot traffic still in the mall at this time.

[A-Town]

Honestly it feels like the small change has ruined our chances at getting a real fix. It's now "good enough" so people aren't going to fight over making it "good". It's mind boggling how living in the CBD you have shorter opening hours than in rural towns.

Exactly, it's archaic and ridiculous. We have a situation where in Bridgewater shops are subject to the same rules that we have in metro Adelaide, but 10 minutes down the road in Mount Barker the same regulations don't exist.

The Libs tried to change our outdated laws a few years ago, but were quickly shut down by the union-controlled Labor.

Labor + many small businesses who were against it also for their own reasons.

Shops in the mall such as Uniqlo and H&M shut at 5:30pm weekdays currently, despite being legally (I think) allowed to stay open 'til 9: https://www.safework.sa.gov.au/industry ... ding-hours. I find this disappointing considering the foot traffic still in the mall at this time.

The most vocal seem to be the IGA franchisees who are against it because they don't want to lose their supermarket monopoly after 5pm on weekends.

I'm not sure if Uniqlo and H&M are actually allowed to remain open after 5pm on weekends. If they were allowed to then I'm sure they would given the high amount of foot traffic still around at that time as you mentioned.

To have a more vibrant CBD night time economy, we need to move away from outdated regulations which only benefit few.

[gnrc_louis]

Exactly, it's archaic and ridiculous. We have a situation where in Bridgewater shops are subject to the same rules that we have in metro Adelaide, but 10 minutes down the road in Mount Barker the same regulations don't exist.

The Libs tried to change our outdated laws a few years ago, but were quickly shut down by the union-controlled Labor.

Labor + many small businesses who were against it also for their own reasons.

Shops in the mall such as Uniqlo and H&M shut at 5:30pm weekdays currently, despite being legally (I think) allowed to stay open 'til 9: https://www.safework.sa.gov.au/industry ... ding-hours. I find this disappointing considering the foot traffic still in the mall at this time.

The most vocal seem to be the IGA franchisees who are against it because they don't want to lose their supermarket monopoly after 5pm on weekends.

I'm not sure if Uniqlo and H&M are actually allowed to remain open after 5pm on weekends. If they were allowed to then I'm sure they would given the high amount of foot traffic still around at that time as you mentioned.

To have a more vibrant CBD night time economy, we need to move away from outdated regulations which only benefit few.

They aren't past 5pm on weekends,unfortunately.

It looks like they fit the definition of a "non-exempt" shop though, so they are making the decision to shut at 5:30pm om weekdays on their own volition. At least in the day light saving months, it would be nice to see more shops open 'til later on weekdays - even if it wasn't 9pm but 7ish.

[Hex]

I hear the "what about the IGAs" argument so much but when I visit other states I see plenty of IGAs and independent supermarkets. At this point I think the real winner of the regulations is OTR which holds an almost monopoly on basic supermarket items after hours.

It's an embarrassment when I have friends from places like Bendigo come stay at my CBD apt and I have to tell them the stores are closed because it's 6PM. I'd say it makes Adelaide look like a country town, but even country towns are further ahead on this.

[SRW]

Honestly, I support full retail deregulation within the CBD, but I think the issue is overbaked. Shops in the city can open till 9pm on weekdays and most don't. Some years ago Rundle Mall pushed staying open till 7pm Mon-Thurs and there was no strong desire from the retailers to continue it outside special events. This festival season hours are extended to 7pm on Saturday, which seems pretty matched with demand.

I'm curious what shops people think should be open that aren't already? I also don't know that it's much use comparing with country towns when the type and size of retail is greatly different. It would probably cost a flagship department store more to staff at marginal opening hours than they'd capture in missed sales.

[Hex]

Honestly, I support full retail deregulation within the CBD, but I think the issue is overbaked. Shops in the city can open till 9pm on weekdays and most don't. Some years ago Rundle Mall pushed staying open till 7pm Mon-Thurs and there was no strong desire from the retailers to continue it outside special events. This festival season hours are extended to 7pm on Saturday, which seems pretty matched with demand.

I'm curious what shops people think should be open that aren't already? I also don't know that it's much use comparing with country towns when the type and size of retail is greatly different. It would probably cost a flagship department store more to staff at marginal opening hours than they'd capture in missed sales.

Coles and Woolworths are the only ones I really care about. I don't need to go clothes shopping in the afternoon but I very regularly need to go food shopping since I usually shop daily to reduce food waste. Coles Grote St used to open midnight. If there is demand at Midnight, I think we can assume there is demand at 6PM on the weekend. Currently the only options are OTR and IGA hutt street which sells extremely overpriced, half rotten food.

[bits]

It is such a non issue that is entirely beatened up.

There is a restriction on large stores so they can only open 12am-9pm mon-fri, 12am-5pm sat and 9am-5pm sun.
Only Coles kurralta park in all of Adelaide is open for those hours. Every other supermarket has chosen to open for less hours than allowed.
Coles Firle also was open for full hours but stopped recently due to lack of demand.

All small stores and a bunch of exempt stores can open whenever they like. Eg much of Rundle Mall can open if they wanted to.

Coles trading hours in Adelaide metro are entirely comparable with Perth and Brisbane.

Melbourne, Sydney and Hobart do mostly stay open a couple hours later each day. But there is exceptions which are comparable to Adelaide hours.
It is easy to gloss over that much of the small stores in Melbourne are shut before 10am also, where in Adelaide they would have opened at 9am.

Rural SA is comparable to rural NSW and Vic etc.
There is no restrictions*.
*Other than a few restrictions.

[Hex]

It is such a non issue that is entirely beatened up.

There is a restriction on large stores so they can only open 12am-9pm mon-fri, 12am-5pm sat and 9am-5pm sun.
Only Coles kurralta park in all of Adelaide is open for those hours. Every other supermarket has chosen to open for less hours than allowed.
Coles Firle also was open for full hours but stopped recently due to lack of demand.

All small stores and a bunch of exempt stores can open whenever they like. Eg much of Rundle Mall can open if they wanted to.

Coles trading hours in Adelaide metro are entirely comparable with Perth and Brisbane.

Melbourne, Sydney and Hobart do mostly stay open a couple hours later each day. But there is exceptions which are comparable to Adelaide hours.
It is easy to gloss over that much of the small stores in Melbourne are shut before 10am also, where in Adelaide they would have opened at 9am.

Rural SA is comparable to rural NSW and Vic etc.
There is no restrictions*.
*Other than a few restrictions.

I don't think this has any relevance. No one is demanding stores be forced to open extra hours. Simply that they shouldn't be prevented from opening. If the restrictions are removed and they remain closed, that's fine.

When the Sunday hours were improved, supermarkets and most of Rundle Mall immediately opened Sunday mornings. So there are clearly hours which would be open but are being prevented. Mt Barker currently has many stores opening till 11PM.