claybro wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:18 am
1. We also know the renewables required, the transmission and the storage cannot be built in time, or are even possible with current battery performance.
2. Existing power stations are most definitely on their last legs, due to a hostile legislative environment promoting renewables making investment in coal, or even maintenance beyond a bare minimum untenable.
3. The coalition doesn't like renewables... Some do- some don't. During a decade of coalition government- Australia achieved more rooftop solar than most countries on earth. Most of the policy leading to the demise of the coal generators were maintained or increased during the decade of coalition government, excellerating the demise of the coal fired power stations, creating the issues we now have.
4. Gina is a miner, and a coalition supporter- no shit..., just as Twiggy and Mike Cannon Brookes continue to received hundreds of millions of taxpayer subsidies for renewable projects which are yet to even get off the ground, Just as Alex Turnbull, the former prime ministers son is a hedge fund manager involved in renewables.- Grifting is not a left or right phenomenon.
5. Nuclear definitely cant get off the ground in time- nor can the renewables required. We are nowhere near rolling out the number of wind turbines, solar panels, storage batteries, transmission corridors...and snowy 2.0 boring machine is still stuck in its tunnel. The task required is simply not logistically, or financially possible-So the politicians are either willfully ignorant- or outright lying...no surprises there.
6. If new coal stations are built, as they are in their hundreds- every year around the world- Australias emissions would reduce, due to new coal plant technology. The alternative is gas....remembering the state governments want to ban all onshore gas exploration, so the more we use gas for electricity- the more shortages there will be for industry- in fact the stupid reporter on the ABC this morning, said the current gas shortages wont affect you and I...households- only the big consumers....what a stupid statement.
So yes- you are probably right- the end result will be new coal fires power stations- but out of necessity- not for the supposed conspiracy you think.
The cost renewables isn't cheap either. How many billions have been poured into setting up renewables, and how many billions more are going to be spent so that we have a reliable and stable grid with capacity?
How many billions are gong to be needed so that the network can provide enough power for manufacturing? Remember manufacturing? The governments wants to restart it, and have more high end manufacturing done in Australia. It's a known fact without a reliable and stable power supply, manufacturing suffers and stalls.
The ideologues of the left never want to talk about the cost of renewables.
How many batteries will need to be built? Do they last as long as a nuclear power plant, a coal plant, a gas fired plant? So they'll need to be replaced sooner.
How long do wind turbines last? Solar panels? They'll need to be replaced sooner then other alternatives.
But those aren't factors that the radical left wants anyone to think about.
This is why they don't want a proper independent and unbiased and without the ideological influence, look into any of this. Because they're bullshit they've been selling for at least a decade now will rise to the top lol.
Wont see another Labor government for at least a decade after that.
This battery, or this solar farm, or this wind turbine farm, will bring down costs.
Next minute, costs have gone up.
Excuses, AEMO sets the prices (but you said those new developments would bring costs down), coal plants are costing more then before to maintain (but we've got very few compared to the amount of renewables built and being built), its your own fault because you cant afford to install solar and a battery in your home (kid you not, one of the trolls basically said this it's peoples own fault)...
At no stage do they ever taken responsibility or admit being wrong.
You can't have a discussion with such blind ideologues. Sadly this is what many of our politicians are on both sides.
The benefit I see in the coalition announcing this nuclear policy, is that it is bringing all of this stuff to the forefront finally. And maybe, with some hope, this nation can have a proper look at what the fuck has been going on and what's best for the future, without the bullshit ideological political shit that clouds everything.
Maybe it is renewables that's the best way forward, maybe its a mix of technologies including nuclear and/or gas with renewables.
I personally don't believe we have that answer, and I certainly don't believe the lying bastards on the left wing of politics in this country when they tell us renewables. "trust us, we know whats best for you".
