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rubberman wrote:A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

Waewick wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:12 pm

rubberman wrote:A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

Waewick wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:12 pm

rubberman wrote:A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

abc wrote:

Waewick wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:12 pm

rubberman wrote:A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

you do realise they burn wood and use hydroelectricity in massive amounts

which mountain stream do you suggest we get hydro electricity from in SA? Which forest do you suggest we chop down for firewood?

rubberman wrote:

Waewick wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:12 pm

rubberman wrote:A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

It's on the worse end of the scale.

Waewick wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:22 pm

abc wrote:

Waewick wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:12 pm

So vermont has 99.6% renewables and is the 41st most expensive?

you do realise they burn wood and use hydroelectricity in massive amounts

which mountain stream do you suggest we get hydro electricity from in SA? Which forest do you suggest we chop down for firewood?

It's like reading a post from a year 7 year book

abc wrote:

Waewick wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:22 pm

abc wrote: you do realise they burn wood and use hydroelectricity in massive amounts

which mountain stream do you suggest we get hydro electricity from in SA? Which forest do you suggest we chop down for firewood?

It's like reading a post from a year 7 year book

there you go again

the reality
https://www.eia.gov/State/?sid=VT#:~:te ... er%20state.

rev wrote:You all need to grow up, if you can't communicate without shit posting at each other, just block each other and stop trying to have the last say.

rubberman wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:08 pm

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

SouthAussie94 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:22 am

rubberman wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:08 pm

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

Just to confirm:

Renewable Rank is how the states compare to each other? ie Rank 1 gets more energy from renewables than Rank 10?

Price rank is the price of energy in the state? Rank 1 is the best (ie: cheapest), Rank 50 is the worst (more expensive)

That's the correct interpretation?

rubberman wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:09 am

SouthAussie94 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:22 am

rubberman wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:08 pm

A couple of posters have suggested that the high price of electricity in SA is due to renewables.

So I thought I'd do a comparison of US States to see if that was valid for there at least.

I took ten states with highest renewables percentage and compared them to prices.

I've listed the states and their percentage total renewables generation, as well as their Price ranking.

If there was any validity to the claim that renewables caused high prices, it would show up here. If the claim held water, high renewables percentage should correlate with high prices. I have ranked prices from best to worst, but it's easy to do it the other way.

I have to say that there's very little correlation between renewables percentage and price....in the US.

Further, prices are way cheaper overall.

So, little correlation between renewables and price, but a big variation from Australia in average prices.



Vermont 99.6% Renewable Rank 1. Price rank 41st.

South Dakota 81.4% Renewable Rank 2. Price rank 9th.

Washington 75.7% Renewable Rank 3. Price rank 8th.

Idaho 73% Renewable Rank 4. Price rank 4th.

Oregon 68.9% Renewable Rank 5. Price rank 23rd.

Iowa 64.9% Renewable Rank 6. Price rank 13th.

Maine 62.9% Renewable rank 7. Price rank 45th

Montana 51.6% Renewable rank 8. Price rank 12th.

Kansas 48% Renewable rank 9. Price rank 17th.

Oklahoma 46.8% Renewable rank 10. Price rank 5th.

Just to confirm:

Renewable Rank is how the states compare to each other? ie Rank 1 gets more energy from renewables than Rank 10?

Price rank is the price of energy in the state? Rank 1 is the best (ie: cheapest), Rank 50 is the worst (more expensive)

That's the correct interpretation?

Yup. The higher the price, the greater the rank number.

• The 45th and 41st most expensive states
• The 4th, 5th, 8th and 9th states with the cheapest electricity