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[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:54 am
by pushbutton
how good is he wrote:To potentially consider turning this maze-like old hospital and it's wards into student accom is depressing and sickening.
I hope one day this site will go to international tender and something world-class gets developed here. What does the forum think will be its future direction?
I couldn't agree more. The old buildings depicted have no aesthetic merit, are probably riddled with asbestos, and don't really suit any modern purpose very well. How anyone could take the idea of using them in any new use of the site is beyond me. The only way they should be re-used is as landfill.

The winning design looks very much like a 60s style ghetto that would attract crime, graffiti and all sorts of anti-social behaviour.

Something world class sounds good. What that will be remains to be seen, and judging by these ideas so far is probably a very long way off.

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:27 pm
by monotonehell
how good is he wrote:To potentially consider turning this maze-like old hospital and it's wards into student accom is depressing and sickening.
I hope one day this site will go to international tender and something world-class gets developed here. What does the forum think will be its future direction?
HGIH: The maze-like qualities of the buildings would be gutted. Look at the proposal. They've opened the undercrofts to two stories, in a 1970's Brasilia kind of way. They've completely gutted each building and placed the access externally.
pushbutton wrote:I couldn't agree more. The old buildings depicted have no aesthetic merit, are probably riddled with asbestos, and don't really suit any modern purpose very well. How anyone could take the idea of using them in any new use of the site is beyond me. The only way they should be re-used is as landfill.
The winning design looks very much like a 60s style ghetto that would attract crime, graffiti and all sorts of anti-social behaviour.
Something world class sounds good. What that will be remains to be seen, and judging by these ideas so far is probably a very long way off.
Pushy: You've completely made your post moot by using the nebulous non-phrase "world-class" without any kind of qualification, definition or idea of what you mean.

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:05 pm
by pushbutton
monotonehell wrote:
how good is he wrote:To potentially consider turning this maze-like old hospital and it's wards into student accom is depressing and sickening.
I hope one day this site will go to international tender and something world-class gets developed here. What does the forum think will be its future direction?
HGIH: The maze-like qualities of the buildings would be gutted. Look at the proposal. They've opened the undercrofts to two stories, in a 1970's Brasilia kind of way. They've completely gutted each building and placed the access externally.
pushbutton wrote:I couldn't agree more. The old buildings depicted have no aesthetic merit, are probably riddled with asbestos, and don't really suit any modern purpose very well. How anyone could take the idea of using them in any new use of the site is beyond me. The only way they should be re-used is as landfill.
The winning design looks very much like a 60s style ghetto that would attract crime, graffiti and all sorts of anti-social behaviour.
Something world class sounds good. What that will be remains to be seen, and judging by these ideas so far is probably a very long way off.
Pushy: You've completely made your post moot by using the nebulous non-phrase "world-class" without any kind of qualification, definition or idea of what you mean.
Stop stirring! I just meant something that looks good. Those old buildings look absolutely terrible. Just my opinion of course!

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:40 am
by how good is he
Ok is now about the time we get Jamie Packer over here and beg him to make an unsolicited offer to the govt to spend about $3b-$4b here for Crown Adelaide/Barangaroo 2? Yes?

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:48 am
by Norman
Not possible, Skycity has a monopoly casino licence until 2035 or so

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:21 pm
by how good is he
Ok that's fair .... so he has to buy up enough shares in Skycity [Entertainment Group] first...

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:24 pm
by pushbutton
how good is he wrote:Ok is now about the time we get Jamie Packer over here and beg him to make an unsolicited offer to the govt to spend about $3b-$4b here for Crown Adelaide/Barangaroo 2? Yes?
That's the kind of thing that would be inspirational.

Queensland already has 3 casinos and they're planning at least one more, possibly two more.

If one of the major casino operators sees potential in SA for a second casino, why would the government stand in their way by allowing Skycity to have a monopoly license? That's anti-competitive in it's most extreme form. Let the market decide if we can support another casino. Not the government!

A second casino would bring in more tax revenue, as well as provide new entertainment and tourism opportunities for the state.

So yes, if the government (maybe the new one after the election because the current one clearly has no intention) were to attempt what you suggested above, I think that would be fantastic! The only thing I think the government should stipulate in any discussions with Packer would be that a new casino must not be exclusively or largely aimed at high rollers, it must be aesthetically pleasing and built to a very high standard, and it must include multiple other attractions not just a casino (as does Crown in Melbourne).

[SWP] #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:32 pm
by Dog
If its just to bring people to replace the local hospital crowd, just build a humongous under ground car park!
It will bring people to the East End day in day out, link it to the trams and it can feed the city with people. And most importantly pay for it's self unlike a lot of other flakey ideas.

Knock down just about all the old hospital buildings
Convert the couple of Heritage buildings into an extended hours school catering for high, primary and adult students and add a massive child care centre for city working/shopping mum and dads.
Build a mega multiple level underground car park under the rest of the site with access from and under Frome and from and under North Tce
Cover the whole thing with gardens and lawns and an amphitheatre for the school and events.
Bring the tram down North Tce to the site and loop back up Frome Rd and back down Pirie/Waymouth
Remove all parking on Frome road north of North Tce to the river, basically only making it access to the university, new schools and car park plus give road space for a proper segregated bike lane linking the linear park bike way to the city.
Close Frome (and it's extension Regent) South of North Tce to all traffic and have it an exclusive tram, pedestrian and bike road and possibly do the the same with Pirie /Waymouth streets.
(Basically Pirie, Waymouth and Frome are the cities narrowest roads anyway and ideal for trams, people and bikes when traffic and parking are removed).
This would give the city dedicated segregated north/South, East/west bike and pedestrian routes through the CBD and keep most bikes and walkers to work off of a lot of the other roads.
This may further promote some more interesting cafés and breakfast bars and shops and high rise residential options on these streets.
The tram would link to the new mega car park/schools/child care which in turn would keep thousands of cars out of the CBD, but bring thousands of people daily to the east end to replace those lost when the hospital closes and keep the east end restaurants and shops viable.
The other advantage is parking for Adelaide oval, Fringe and Womad events.
To complete the picture I would as mentioned by others on this site close Rundle street through the east parklands to traffic and return it to park lands and replace it with a new parklands road linking Rundle Street kent town to the much wider Grenfell street.

All the removed soil for the mega car park would be ideal to box in and cover the rail lines between the Torrens and the new hospital and beyond, but thats another protect.



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[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:12 am
by ml69
pushbutton wrote:
how good is he wrote:Ok is now about the time we get Jamie Packer over here and beg him to make an unsolicited offer to the govt to spend about $3b-$4b here for Crown Adelaide/Barangaroo 2? Yes?
That's the kind of thing that would be inspirational.

Queensland already has 3 casinos and they're planning at least one more, possibly two more.

If one of the major casino operators sees potential in SA for a second casino, why would the government stand in their way by allowing Skycity to have a monopoly license? That's anti-competitive in it's most extreme form. Let the market decide if we can support another casino. Not the government!

A second casino would bring in more tax revenue, as well as provide new entertainment and tourism opportunities for the state.
Second casino ... Not gonna happen. The SA government signed an agreement giving Skycity exclusivity to a casino licence until 2035, in return for Skycity's $300M redevelopment and expansion of the casino. If the SA government reneges on this, Skycity will sue them til the cows come home for lost earnings over the next 20 years.

If the government was serious about inviting other casino operators into the state, it would have initiated a bidding/tendering process for a second casino licence (or indeed the existing casino licence) BEFORE it signed the agreement with Skycity ... Like what Sydney did to get the Crown Sydney.

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:58 am
by [Shuz]
Adelaide is only a city of 1.3m. I can't see that having another casino would be viable at present. If anything the exclusivity clause is probably doing as a favour by allowing us to build up a market and further population growth first to a level where it is more viable to have two casinos.

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:24 am
by ODASA
The RAH Site Competition independent and expert Jury said:
“The jury was impressed by the depth of research into the social and physical history and condition of the RAH site. This research was evidenced and brought to life at all scales by the design proposal; from the architecture to heritage, engineering and landscape. The design solves the essential challenges of the site with minimal impact, and celebrates a continuing presence for the hospital buildings with subtlety, humour and respect. It presents a strong and innovative attitude to heritage, that preserves existing fabric and historic value, while integrating a new aesthetic. In doing so, it offers a new identity for the site that extends rather than replaces its history.”

http://architectureau.com/articles/rah- ... f-40287445

Competition Jury
Shelley Penn, chair (AIA immediate past president); Bob Nation (Sydney-based architect); Dr Catherin Bull (emeritus professor of Landscape Architecture at the University of Melbourne); Timothy Hill (Brisbane-based architect); Tim Horton (Adelaide-based architect and former commissioner for Integrated Design); Marcus Spiller (SGS Economics & Planning); and Catherine Slessor (The Architectural Review). The jury was joined by competition advisor Andrew Mackenzie (CityLab) and Anne Dalton (probity advisor and director of Anne Dalton Associates).

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:06 pm
by The Scooter Guy
Just in:
Labor Party plans $85m school for old Royal Adelaide Hospital site.


AN $85 million high school will be built on the old Royal Adelaide Hospital if the Labor Government is re-elected next month.
Premier Jay Weatherill and Child Development Minister Jennifer Rankine today announced that a second city high school, to specialise in health and sciences, would be ready for the 2019 school year.
Mr Weatherill said his government would “ensure this school partners with the world-leading scientific and medical research industries we have in SA”.
The school will be integrated in a master plan for the old RAH site, which will become vacant in 2016.
The plan will also nominate the best location for the 10,000sq m school.
Ms Rankine said the Labor plan contrasted starkly with the Opposition’s vision for city education.
“The Liberals plan is to construct a mega school with 2450 students - making it one of the biggest public schools in the nation,” she said.
“Unlike the Liberals, we will consult with the community every step of the way from design to school governance, enrolment policies, the school’s name and developing special interest programs.
“(Labor will) build on land that we already own.”
The Government said the new school, plus a 250-student expansion of Adelaide High School, which is under way, would lead to zoning changes to ensure more young people living in inner suburbs could attend a public school in the city.

More: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 6834954459

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:06 pm
by Aidan
IMO the Libs' proposal for a private hospital to locate itself there is the best option anyone's come up with yet. What does everyone else think?

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:10 pm
by monotonehell
Aidan wrote:IMO the Libs' proposal for a private hospital to locate itself there is the best option anyone's come up with yet. What does everyone else think?
Is there a private hospital which wishes to be located there?

[SWP] Re: #PRO: Former RAH Site (Design Competition)

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:04 pm
by Nathan
The private hospital idea is ridiculous. One of the primary reasons for the New RAH was that much of the existing buildings were no longer suitable. That said, I don't agree with the school idea either. One of the concerns about the hospital moving away is the effect it'll have on the East End, and high school students are not going to fill that gap.