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[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:40 pm
by Patrick_27
ChillyPhilly wrote:A tower there will assist in defining the physical boundaries of the new public space, as well as create a new focal point. There could also be new opportunities for ground floor activation, such as retail or other commercial property.
A building the height of Parliament House would also help define the boundaries of the space.
We have three significant heritage buildings surrounding the space... We don't need anymore focal points in the area. We have a high vacancy rate for offices in this city so an office tower is not necessary and as I've already said about the height, it shadows over Parliament House. We have high-rise development popping up here, there and everywhere in this city (with plenty more still to come), this is one area of the CBD that does NOT need it.
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:44 pm
by ChillyPhilly
Perhaps there's more to this building than we are seeing and thinking. Let's wait and see.
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:54 pm
by Matt
I'm also supportive of the tower, providing:
- its architectural merit befits the location (definitely NOT another box) - this needs to be something special
- there's some sort of rooftop bar/restaurant open to the public (the views that such a spot are afforded should not be exclusive to tenants of the building)
- any ground floor tenancies work to activate/enhance the area
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:02 pm
by Splashmo
I've said it before, but not wild about an office tower being built in *this* part of the city, towering over Parliament.
Then again, Brisbane is doing virtually the same thing, if not worse - the new casino will be right next door too.
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:35 pm
by ml69
Matt wrote:I'm also supportive of the tower, providing:
- its architectural merit befits the location (definitely NOT another box) - this needs to be something special
- there's some sort of rooftop bar/restaurant open to the public (the views that such a spot are afforded should not be exclusive to tenants of the building)
- any ground floor tenancies work to activate/enhance the area
Exactly my thoughts too ... Let Walker make some money from the office tower. But include some public components to the building too.
I'd also like to see a public viewing deck area in addition to a rooftop bar/restaurant. Even at "only" 24 storeys high, the views would be amazing in that location. It would be a proper tourist attraction for Adelaide which could be incorporated for a minor incremental cost. Suits the location very well.
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:37 pm
by Paulns
Matt wrote:I'm also supportive of the tower, providing:
- its architectural merit befits the location (definitely NOT another box) - this needs to be something special
- there's some sort of rooftop bar/restaurant open to the public (the views that such a spot are afforded should not be exclusive to tenants of the building)
- any ground floor tenancies work to activate/enhance the area
I couldn't agree more. I just hope the building they put there isn't just another glass box because really that prime location warrants something spectacular for Adelaide!
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:39 pm
by Matt
Yep and yep. If we have to have a building plonked in a key public area to make the rest of the project viable, the public should certainly have some degree of access to it.
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:33 pm
by Matt
Hi folks,
Some more information re: the latest Festival Plaza plans here:
https://renewalsa.sa.gov.au/projects/gr ... ival_plaza
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:58 am
by ml69
Nathan wrote:Yep, ignores the Festival Centre's plans. Well done riverbank authority, let's not collaborate on anythi g.
I don't see a problem at all with this change, as the new concept plan is a significant improvement on the original festival theatre plan.
With the festival theatre plan, the main pedestrian axis into Riverbank (Station Road) terminates at a dead end. Under the new plan, there is now a wide set of steps providing a better connection to Elder Park and the River Torrens.
Second, the new plan has a much wider pedestrian promenade on the Northern side of the festival theatre.
And finally, the new plan has a better shape for Elder Park with the semi circular grass terraces facing the river.
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:33 am
by Nathan
ml69 wrote:Nathan wrote:Yep, ignores the Festival Centre's plans. Well done riverbank authority, let's not collaborate on anythi g.
I don't see a problem at all with this change, as the new concept plan is a significant improvement on the original festival theatre plan.
With the festival theatre plan, the main pedestrian axis into Riverbank (Station Road) terminates at a dead end. Under the new plan, there is now a wide set of steps providing a better connection to Elder Park and the River Torrens.
Second, the new plan has a much wider pedestrian promenade on the Northern side of the festival theatre.
And finally, the new plan has a better shape for Elder Park with the semi circular grass terraces facing the river.
I agree, the pedestrian access from Station Rd through to Elder Park is better, but the promenade around the northern edge and the space on the slope of Elder Park (including the art playspace) was much better resolved in the Festival Centre's plans. I notice in the documents on the RenewalSA site that there is some collobaration with Hassell (who are responsible for the Festival Centre plan), and TCL have a good track record, so hopefully we'll see a better integration between the two as plans advance.
Back on the actual plaza, everything looks solid, but there's no wow moment. Nothing that sets it apart from competing public spaces to make it a 'must-go' destination (aside from the existing attractions). I can't see anything that will generate activity outside of events at the Festival Centre or Adelaide Oval, which is a big part of the problem with the existing space.
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:04 am
by Wayno
From InDaily:
Architecture | Adelaide’s Festival Centre, designed by South Australian architect John Morphett, is a state icon, appearing in promotional images of the city since 1973 when the centre’s geometric domed Festival Theatre was completed.
But this postcard view is set to be radically altered.
The South Australian government has turned to property tycoon Lang Walker to co-finance a massive change to Morphett’s Festival Plaza at a cost of $610 million. The redevelopment will introduce a 24-storey office block to the space that fringes Parliament House and the Plaza; run a two-storey retail space along the rear of Parliament House (which will necessitate the removal of Czech artist Otto Hajek’s unloved and fading ‘City Sign’ sculpture); and expand the Adelaide Casino and Railway Station building at its northern end.
Morphett, 83, is keenly interested in the redevelopment proposal but notes that he is yet to be given a detailed overview of the design for the centre.
“I’ve got a bit of a problem in that I haven’t seen it – I mean the whole redevelopment,” he says. “But I know in principle what’s happening with the plaza.”
While it might strike some as odd that the architect who designed the Festival Centre is yet to be formally contacted about its redevelopment, Morphett says he has been told that he will get asked his views “at some stage”. And he notes that the likely reason he hasn’t been asked yet is that there remain a number of issues that are yet to be resolved.
However, while the proposed new multistorey buildings that will spring up around the redeveloped plaza are currently represented as shadowy blocks on artists’ impressions, they are defined enough to allow Morphett to speak about them.
Perhaps surprisingly, Morphett isn’t opposed to the creation of the proposed 24-storey office tower on the southwestern fringe of the Plaza.
“In broad terms, the positioning of the office tower doesn’t look too bad to me,” he says, noting that it would not interfere with his existing design nor cause issues with shadow.
“In principle, I don’t object to the need for office towers. They are going to help fund the whole redevelopment of the plaza. It’s been neglected for such a long time and badly needs some funding spent on it,” Morphett says.
“It’s most important that the new buildings are well designed and look good, because it’s a fairly iconic view of Adelaide when you look at it from the north and see the Festival Centre with the city skyline behind it. That view is still on the ABC News every night – has been for the past 40 years. It’s the view of Adelaide. These two towers will change that shape forever, the scale is something that’s going to make them very important on the city skyline.”
plaza
But while Morphett is relatively sanguine about the towers, provided they are well conceived, the smaller of the two proposed buildings, the multistorey casino expansion, concerns him because it could impact on his original design for the centre.
“As far as the extensions to the Casino are concerned, that appears to be very close to the Playhouse. It’s forward quite a long way, over what is now a big hole in the plaza. And without having seen the final designs, I’d say that in principle it might be a bit too close.”
In the mid-’70s, when the plaza was being created, Morphett struck up a close friendship with Czech-German environmental artist Otto Herbert Hajek, who was working on a large sculpture for the plaza space.
Morphett travelled to Germany with the artist, visiting the Hajek home. Yet he is not sentimental about the proposed removal of Hajek’s sculpture in the centre’s plaza to make way for a retail space.
“Putting shops and activities along behind Parliament House I think would be a good thing. They’re helpful to help activate the plaza. Part of the sculpture was removed when some upgrades to the plaza were done a few years ago [2003-05]. The integrity of the sculpture has already gone.
“So, if it’s going to interfere with what I think will be a good development with shops and activities on that plaza – which badly needs it – I wouldn’t kick up a big fuss about keeping the Hajek.”
And what does Morphett think of the new bridge connecting the Festival Centre with the Adelaide Oval?
“It seems to work pretty well I must say. It looks good. However, I was having dinner at the Playhouse bistro the other day and I must say one disconcerting aspect of the bridge is that at night they’ve got these lights under the balustrade all the way along the bridge. And they’re not on all the time or off all the time, they switch on in sequence, so it looks like waves of light at night going across the bridge. When you’re sitting in the bistro having a meal it’s a bit intrusive.
“But that’s nothing that couldn’t be easily fixed by flicking a switch,” he says with a mischievous laugh.
Festival Centre facts
* Built on time 1973-1977 and on budget: $10 million for the Festival Theatre and $21 million for the entire Festival Centre)
* The Plaza redevelopment comes with a price tag of $610 million: $180 million of it supplied by the taxpayer, $430 million from property developer Lang Walker.
* Half of the $180 million from the SA government will be spent on repairing and improving the Festival Centre buildings
* Work on the Plaza will take 20 months and will be completed by late 2017.
* A 1500-space car park will be created below the plaza
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:52 am
by Norman
This render looks good:
But this one... ugh!
All images from the Walker Corporation website:
http://www.walkercorp.com.au/commercial/festival-plaza/
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:34 am
by Nathan
What?? Burn that plan to the ground.
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:14 pm
by crowdoc
Who is going to lease 40,000 square m of A grade office space in Adelaide? Surely the State Government would not be so stupid as to finance this with a lease after the state bank disaster in the 1990s. That leaves Telstra or maybe a Bank. It is a big ask to get this to financial viability.
[COM] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:26 pm
by Dvious
Well wouldn't it be funded by the Walker Corp from Melbourne or Sydney (where ever they are based), and not funded by any banks tied to S.A?