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Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:19 am
by Waewick
rubberman wrote:abc wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 1:21 am
rubberman wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 8:47 pm
Do you agree with what Mali said, or not?
Let me remind you?
'...because, maybe in the future, at some point, the economics of nuclear will change as the technology evolves,..' he said...
Simple question. Yes or no?
I don't care what he said. My commentary relates to your dogmatic response.
That's the problem. I just summarised what he said.
So, if you think what I said was dogmatic. Then, obviously you think what Mali said was dogmatic. Which contradicts your statement that you don't care what he said.
Weird.
You really should save your breath and understand he is coming from a place of confusion and anger.
All he can do is lash out based on the stuff Sky News told him because it's a complicated topic he can't understand it, so its easier to do what he does.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:58 am
by Waewick
https://reneweconomy.com.au/south-austr ... approvals/
Neoen’s Blyth battery, which will soon be the biggest battery project in South Australia, has been registered in the Australian Energy Market Operator’s Market Management System, paving the way for testing and commissioning.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:54 am
by Waewick
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:14 pm
by rubberman
https://reneweconomy.com.au/south-austr ... ve-demand/
Looks like base load suppliers are in for a hard time. If solar and wind drive daily minimum demand for baseload to zero it's hard to see how baseload models can work.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:23 am
by SBD
Which generators are considered "base load" in South Australia? Torrens Island A has been shut down. Torrens Island B is scheduled to shut down by 30 June 2026. Is that the last base load generator? Or does the combined cycle gas turbine at Pelican Point count as base load too?
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:08 am
by rubberman
SBD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:23 am
Which generators are considered "base load" in South Australia? Torrens Island A has been shut down. Torrens Island B is scheduled to shut down by 30 June 2026. Is that the last base load generator? Or does the combined cycle gas turbine at Pelican Point count as base load too?
I am not aware of any. That's the point.
Given the SA experience, and the continued uptake of solar and wind in the Eastern States, it's almost certain that the proportion of renewables will increase there. That means baseload is headed downwards there. It's happening as we speak.
SA has no baseload, and baseload demand is being affected interstate. Negatively. So, at the rate of solar uptake, it's not hard to see that daytime demand in the Eastern States could go down close to zero. Hence my question.
In this scenario, which has already happened in SA, and is happening in the Eastern States, how can baseload models work?
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:20 am
by SBD
rubberman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:08 am
SBD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:23 am
Which generators are considered "base load" in South Australia? Torrens Island A has been shut down. Torrens Island B is scheduled to shut down by 30 June 2026. Is that the last base load generator? Or does the combined cycle gas turbine at Pelican Point count as base load too?
I am not aware of any. That's the point.
Given the SA experience, and the continued uptake of solar and wind in the Eastern States, it's almost certain that the proportion of renewables will increase there. That means baseload is headed downwards there. It's happening as we speak.
SA has no baseload, and baseload demand is being affected interstate. Negatively. So, at the rate of solar uptake, it's not hard to see that daytime demand in the Eastern States could go down close to zero. Hence my question.
In this scenario, which has already happened in SA, and is happening in the Eastern States, how can baseload models work?
I don't think they can, especially in the absence of large controllable load. AGL's new contract with the Portland aluminium smelter includes demand-side management, allowing AGL to reduce the power consumed if it's short.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:33 am
by abc
mates from Eastern states are telling me their power bills are up 50%
they're finding out what it feels like to be a South Australian
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:58 am
by rubberman
abc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:33 am
mates from Eastern states are telling me their power bills are up 50%
they're finding out what it feels like to be a South Australian
Private companies can charge what they like. Welcome to capitalism.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:13 pm
by Algernon
Meanwhile, the UK has shut down its last coal power plant as of yesterday. Done. Finished.
Tough pill to swallow for the sky news crowd in Australia trying the "nobody else is doing it" routine.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:21 pm
by SBD
rubberman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:58 am
abc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:33 am
mates from Eastern states are telling me their power bills are up 50%
they're finding out what it feels like to be a South Australian
Private companies can charge what they like. Welcome to capitalism.
The eastern states have a much greater presence in the generation market of the Commonwealth-owned Snowy Hydro. It only owns three small diesel peaking plants in SA.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:28 pm
by abc
Algernon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:13 pm
Meanwhile, the UK has shut down its last coal power plant as of yesterday. Done. Finished.
Tough pill to swallow for the sky news crowd in Australia trying the "nobody else is doing it" routine.
tough pill to swallow for the poor pensioners who cant afford to heat their houses in the UK and now no relief from dear leader Starmer
...its all for the greater good of the fatherland though right?
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:17 pm
by rubberman
SBD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:21 pm
rubberman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:58 am
abc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:33 am
mates from Eastern states are telling me their power bills are up 50%
they're finding out what it feels like to be a South Australian
Private companies can charge what they like. Welcome to capitalism.
The eastern states have a much greater presence in the generation market of the Commonwealth-owned Snowy Hydro. It only owns three small diesel peaking plants in SA.
Yup. But hydro isn't baseload. It would also be nice for Snowy Mk2 to become unstuffed up.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:25 pm
by rubberman
abc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:28 pm
Algernon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:13 pm
Meanwhile, the UK has shut down its last coal power plant as of yesterday. Done. Finished.
Tough pill to swallow for the sky news crowd in Australia trying the "nobody else is doing it" routine.
tough pill to swallow for the poor pensioners who cant afford to heat their houses in the UK and now no relief from dear leader Starmer
...its all for the greater good of the fatherland though right?
The UK had its power industry privatised decades ago. It's got nothing to do with Starmer.
Is the concept of selling something difficult to understand? Nothing to do with the fatherland. The fatherland doesn't run those businesses. It's all for the good of the shareholders. That's literally what privatisation means.
The UK, and Australia (to a large extent) sold their power assets. If we didn't think about the consequences, too bad. Go complain to the private companies who own the businesses. Government is not your nanny.
Re: News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:59 pm
by abc
rubberman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:25 pm
abc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:28 pm
Algernon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:13 pm
Meanwhile, the UK has shut down its last coal power plant as of yesterday. Done. Finished.
Tough pill to swallow for the sky news crowd in Australia trying the "nobody else is doing it" routine.
tough pill to swallow for the poor pensioners who cant afford to heat their houses in the UK and now no relief from dear leader Starmer
...its all for the greater good of the fatherland though right?
The UK had its power industry privatised decades ago. It's got nothing to do with Starmer.
Is the concept of selling something difficult to understand? Nothing to do with the fatherland. The fatherland doesn't run those businesses. It's all for the good of the shareholders. That's literally what privatisation means.
The UK, and Australia (to a large extent) sold their power assets. If we didn't think about the consequences, too bad. Go complain to the private companies who own the businesses. Government is not your nanny.
nothing to do with privatisation, everything to do with government deciding which forms of energy are penalised via the climate scam rubberbrain