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Welcome to the forum Paddy.

I hope you stay around after that roasting...

Pistol wrote:Welcome to the forum Paddy.

I hope you stay around after that roasting...

Aiden was just showing off his amazing ability of being able to split one post up into 6000 bits

This from http://www.adelaidenow.com.au

REGENCY Road will be connected to the Port River Expressway with 3km of extra road - 2km of which will be elevated above the ground.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd will announce $500 million in Federal Government funding for further upgrades of South Rd in Adelaide this morning - and has already foreshadowed the plan on radio FIVEaa.
Mr Rudd said the State Government would contribute a further $400 million to the project.

MORE TO COME

I'd reckon the existing bypass of the golf course will remain as it is, and the road thereafter Days Road > PrExy will consist of the elevated section.

Is very CityLink stylez me thinks. And let's hope it's "freeway standard". $900m is a huge price tag to put on something that shouldn't _just_ be a road.

Post Moved To The South Road Thread.

The article relates to South Road, not the Northern Connector.

http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/for ... &start=915

'Aidan' did raise some good points.

But there are a few things I’d like to question.

I doubt we'll ever need an airport larger and more high tech than the existing site could accommodate. But if we do, the best place to move it would be 5km or more WSW of its current site.

In case you're not aware, Adelaide Airport Cooperation has announced a major extension of Adelaide Airport which will includes a hotel, multi storey car park & larger terminal with many more aerobridges.

No it doesn't. The alignment originally proposed did, but the alignment eventually selected isn't as close to it.

That is true, but the South Australian Government has land allocated for a road (two lanes each way) to cater for the traffic of the new super base being constructed out there. If they were to build a new airport at Edinburgh they could easily attach that road to an exit on the new Northern Expressway.

But relocating it would leave the Southern suburbs far worse off.

The Southern suburbs would be fine, they already have a steady growth rate and business is thriving.

No it wouldn't, as it doesn't go anywhere near the CBD.

If the South Australian Government were to do the North to South corridor and include the Northern Expressway in the plans then yes it would go near Adelaide's CBD.

Thank you for the link, I shall make my way onto that discussion.

Paddy-4-progress wrote:'Aidan' did raise some good points.
But there are a few things I’d like to question.

OK, fire away!

I doubt we'll ever need an airport larger and more high tech than the existing site could accommodate. But if we do, the best place to move it would be 5km or more WSW of its current site.

In case you're not aware, Adelaide Airport Cooperation has announced a major extension of Adelaide Airport which will includes a hotel, multi storey car park & larger terminal with many more aerobridges.

I'm well aware of that. The existing site can and will easily accommodate it all.

No it doesn't. The alignment originally proposed did, but the alignment eventually selected isn't as close to it.

That is true, but the South Australian Government has land allocated for a road (two lanes each way) to cater for the traffic of the new super base being constructed out there. If they were to build a new airport at Edinburgh they could easily attach that road to an exit on the new Northern Expressway.

I didn't know about that. Where would the road be?

But relocating it would leave the Southern suburbs far worse off.

The Southern suburbs would be fine, they already have a steady growth rate and business is thriving.

The Southern suburbs have far less manufacturing than the Northern suburbs, mainly because of the latter's proximity to the port and rail terminal. Yes, the business we do have is fine and growing, but that doesn't mean the Southern suburbs wouldn't go into decline if we lost the airport.

No it wouldn't, as it doesn't go anywhere near the CBD.

If the South Australian Government were to do the North to South corridor and include the Northern Expressway in the plans then yes it would go near Adelaide's CBD.

Fairly near, but it would involve quite a big detour.

Just thinking with the annoucement of the South Road Superway, this proposal, and the Northern Expressway - in all technicality, is all the same road, just each being announced in stages. Howie was right when he mentioned earlier on this thread that it's better for the Government to annouce these road projects and construct them in a staged manner, to avoid public criticsm and opposition, which would derail its potential to go ahead - this is exactly the reason why the MATS plan died. Every detail was released at once and people, somewhat hypocritically, saw the "long-term vision", but objected to it, because it was too overwhelming. Sometimes its better to have a mindset that things happen in "stages", we see it as a series of smaller projects - that form part of the bigger picture.

Facts of the combination of Northern Expressway, Northern Connector, Sturt Highway Duplication and South Road Superway projects;

[*] 65.6kms of freeway standard road.
[*] $3.8b total project cost.
[*] SA's first proper freeway-style junction (cloverleaf or spaghetti) at PRExy, NCtr, and SRS junction.
[*] 2017 - all works expected to be completed.
[*] Room for all freeways to expand to 3+3 capacity - NCtr the exception, with 4+4 from initial construction.

Shuz, you need to add the duplication of the Sturt Highway to Greenock Road to your freeway. Makes for a controlled-access, dual-carriageway road from Regency Park to Nuriootpa. I think that's more than 39kms.

Done. Thanks, Rhino.

But its not the same road though

Hooligan wrote:But its not the same road though

It is, if that's where you happen to be going

Wonder if we will be hearing something more about this in the not too distant future from the Federal / State Governments. The proposed timeline states that approval of project and funding of preffered route is expected in December 2009.

Shuz wrote:Just thinking with the annoucement of the South Road Superway, this proposal, and the Northern Expressway - in all technicality, is all the same road, just each being announced in stages. Howie was right when he mentioned earlier on this thread that it's better for the Government to annouce these road projects and construct them in a staged manner, to avoid public criticsm and opposition, which would derail its potential to go ahead - this is exactly the reason why the MATS plan died. Every detail was released at once and people, somewhat hypocritically, saw the "long-term vision", but objected to it, because it was too overwhelming.

That's not why the MATS plan died at all. People objected to it because it would have blighted many suburbs with unnecessary freeways. People didn't want their neighbourhoods torn apart by freeways, and it was found that none of the freeways were needed at the time, and some never would be.

Sometimes its better to have a mindset that things happen in "stages", we see it as a series of smaller projects - that form part of the bigger picture.

That's certainly the case when it comes to cost, especially when it means the costs can be backloaded. But when the drawbacks are environmental, breaking it down into stages is less likely to make a difference. It may have worked once, but the public can see through it nowadays.

Facts of the combination of Northern Expressway, Northern Connector, Sturt Highway Duplication and South Road Superway projects;

[*] 65.6kms of freeway standard road.
[*] $3.8b total project cost.
[*] SA's first proper freeway-style junction (cloverleaf or spaghetti) at PRExy, NCtr, and SRS junction.

Does a cloverleaf still count as a proper freeway style junction? A proper cloverleaf can't handle very much traffic.

[*] 2017 - all works expected to be completed.
[*] Room for all freeways to expand to 3+3 capacity - NCtr the exception, with 4+4 from initial construction.

And most of it is outside the Adelaide metropolitan area, apart from the SRS which is in an industrial area.