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AtD wrote:I wouldn't particularly like to see the facade retained, but I wouldn't mind a more detailed facade.

16. That internal ground floor building levels shall match existing footpath levels adjacent to access points to the site, unless otherwise agreed by Council.

AtD wrote:"Colonel Light" on SSC alerted us to:
http://www.dac.sa.gov.au/index.cfm?obje ... A8083E92C7

Which I have backed up here:
http://photoadelaide.com/Rundle%20Mall% ... ov1308.pdf

It's an interesting read if you have the patience. The "conditions: mentioned in the Messenger article would probably be those listed on page 16 of the above pdf, including:

16. That internal ground floor building levels shall match existing footpath levels adjacent to access points to the site, unless otherwise agreed by Council.

There will also be retractable canopies on Francis Street and Lindes Lane.

An overall height to the top of the building core of approximately 82 metres, with an average height of 78 metres.

A reduction in the scale and form of the proposed fin elements to the top of the tower

Not integrating a number of existing buildings in side lanes puts at risk the ability to draw on the richness of detailing and sense of history and place that these buildings provide. There [sic] loss of such buildings would lessen the ability to foster a genuine lane culture as a unique attractor to the State's premier retail mall.

Without final internal tenancy layout arrangements it is possible that the proposed shop fronts to the lanes are used simply for retail display with no activity or permeability. A clearer demonstration of the intended use that truly utilises and exploits the laneways is required i.e. cafe seating, lift-up servery windows, small/niche retail tenancies etc.

omada wrote: Most importantly though, these issues have been sensitively dealt with and haven't impeded the progress of the development application.

pushbutton wrote:So far as I can tell, it looks like this development was only proposed within about the last 6 months or so, and now it's pretty close to getting the final rubber stamp of approval and looks like construction COULD start early next year, maybe.

What's going on?

Don't these people realise this development is in ADELAIDE? It's supposed to take at least 5 years of meetings and planning and arguing before anything happens! Maybe they thought it was being built in Sydney!

Will wrote:

pushbutton wrote:So far as I can tell, it looks like this development was only proposed within about the last 6 months or so, and now it's pretty close to getting the final rubber stamp of approval and looks like construction COULD start early next year, maybe.

What's going on?

Don't these people realise this development is in ADELAIDE? It's supposed to take at least 5 years of meetings and planning and arguing before anything happens! Maybe they thought it was being built in Sydney!

Adelaide has changed a lot in the last few years, and this not only includes the built environment but also the mentallity of the place. Maybe your perception of it should change too?

UP TO $2 million could be offered to entice developers to save Harris Scarfe’s 1920s facade, in Rundle Mall, but it won’t be a deal-breaker.

The City Council has ruled out using its veto power to block the $150 million development.

Town Hall will start negotiating with site owner Alteman SA in coming weeks in a bid to save the building’s facade.

Alteman SA had its 19-storey retail/office tower approved for the site last week by the state Development Assessment Commission (DAC) it requires the demolition of the entire Harris Scarfe site.

The City Messenger understands Town Hall would be willing to offer Alteman SA up to $2 million double its $1 million annual Heritage Incentive Fund to incorporate the facade into its design.

Cr Sandy Wilkinson, who supports keeping the facade, said: “I think that’s small beer in the scheme of things and if that building’s saved, it’s saved for all time, so any money that council puts into it will be amortised over the next century.”

The City Council owns part of the site a 2000sq m basement loading dock and 1685sq m of ground floor space and as part landowner effectively could bring the project to a halt, Cr Wilkinson said.

But Lord Mayor Michael Harbison ruled that out. “What the council’s made quite clear is that they don’t want to stand in the way of the development but they’re about adding incentives, quite clearly they’re not talking about prohibiting anything,” he said.

Mr Harbison said offering a large incentive would be an appropriate use of ratepayer money: “I, for one, as a ratepayer, am happy to see my rates applied to the preservation of our heritage.”

The project was to have been Town Hall’s last chance to assess a major project but the land ownership conflict of interest saw it surrender planning approval powers to the State Government last month.

pushbutton wrote:Chances are it will last maybe between 35 and 60 years max, and then something else will take its place again (by which time it will probably look dated and be worn out anyway).

Tyler_Durden wrote:

pushbutton wrote:Chances are it will last maybe between 35 and 60 years max, and then something else will take its place again (by which time it will probably look dated and be worn out anyway).

If it will look dated and worn in only 35 to 60 years then it shouldn't be built.

Wayno wrote:Harris Scarfe facade lure

Would $2m cover the costs of retaining the facade?

http://city-messenger.whereilive.com.au ... cade-lure/

UP TO $2 million could be offered to entice developers to save Harris Scarfe’s 1920s facade, in Rundle Mall, but it won’t be a deal-breaker.

The City Council has ruled out using its veto power to block the $150 million development.

Town Hall will start negotiating with site owner Alteman SA in coming weeks in a bid to save the building’s facade.

Alteman SA had its 19-storey retail/office tower approved for the site last week by the state Development Assessment Commission (DAC) it requires the demolition of the entire Harris Scarfe site.

The City Messenger understands Town Hall would be willing to offer Alteman SA up to $2 million double its $1 million annual Heritage Incentive Fund to incorporate the facade into its design.

Cr Sandy Wilkinson, who supports keeping the facade, said: “I think that’s small beer in the scheme of things and if that building’s saved, it’s saved for all time, so any money that council puts into it will be amortised over the next century.”

The City Council owns part of the site a 2000sq m basement loading dock and 1685sq m of ground floor space and as part landowner effectively could bring the project to a halt, Cr Wilkinson said.

But Lord Mayor Michael Harbison ruled that out. “What the council’s made quite clear is that they don’t want to stand in the way of the development but they’re about adding incentives, quite clearly they’re not talking about prohibiting anything,” he said.

Mr Harbison said offering a large incentive would be an appropriate use of ratepayer money: “I, for one, as a ratepayer, am happy to see my rates applied to the preservation of our heritage.”

The project was to have been Town Hall’s last chance to assess a major project but the land ownership conflict of interest saw it surrender planning approval powers to the State Government last month.

skyliner wrote:
Personally, i REALLY hope that facade is not preserved - the old Myer and John Martin bldgs were far better and they did not last. this one is SOOO provincial, poor architecture, low impact, sooo low (for the centre of a CBD), it does not seem to have merit save for it being Harris Scarf's. The exterior matched the interior - out of date and set up like 70 years ago. A new frontage more suited to current consumerism and it's associated shifts in what is needed is far preferred IMO. There was a doco recently on this on ABC1 - well worth a watch. More coming I believe. Relates well to CBD, bldg design.

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