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Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:31 pm
by monotonehell
AtD wrote:Do you have a source for that?
'Cos I said so.


To be honest, the derivation of the phrase as it applies to Adelaide is not really known. You have to derive the meaning from past zeitgeist. When you look at it we had more pubs than churches, so we should have been the city of pubs. Diversity of religion is the most probable explanation. Whereas quantity of churches doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Consider what Sam Clements said:
'But South Australia deserves much, for apparently she is hospitable home for every alien who chooses to come, and for his religion too.'
Mark Twain Following the equator p. 181
South Australia's founders had a vision of religious tolerance which made the new colony attractive to a diversity of religious practitioners. Initially this included many English 'Dissenters' who had suffered discrimination in England. Among them, the various Methodist strains of Christianity were well-represented - being particularly numerous at Goolwa amongst the riverboat families and in the Moonta district through the Cornish settlers.

Smaller groups such as the Unitarians were also strong in South Australia. The Unitarian Church attracted many intellectuals including Catherine Helen Spence, and the Secretary of the South Australian Institute (the forerunner to the State Library) Robert Kay. The artist John Dowie is a current member. Several thousand Prussian 'Old Lutherans' came to South Australia seeking refuge from religious persecution in their homeland, sponsored by Colonization Commissioner George Fife Angas. They established their own particular form of Lutheranism in the Barossa Valley and to this day the Lutheran Church in Australia remains a separate entity to the official German Lutheran Church.

In the 1890s and early 1900s groups such as the Seventh Day Adventists and Christadelphians were established in South Australia from American bases. The period was a time when many traditional Christians - particularly women - explored a greater variety of spiritualities.

Each wave of immigration has brought new religious alliances to the state. Immigration from the countries of the Mediterranean and Eastern Europe since World War Two has resulted in many new Orthodox Christian churches being established. Migrants from Italy, South East Asia and Africa have included adherents of established denominations, particularly the Roman Catholic Church, bringing greater diversity within older churches.

The Chinese community built a Kuan-Ti temple in Hindley Street in 1891, but most of the interest in eastern religions has come from native-born South Australians. For a time in the 1970s and 1980s, the Hare Krishnas were a common sight - singing and dancing in Rundle Street daily, at hourly intervals.

In recent years religion has diversified far beyond what Mark Twain could have imagined. Since the late twentieth century there has been a growing influence from his own country on the practises and beliefs of some of christian churches. A form of Christianity outside of the churches, comprising those disillusioned or disatisfied with formal religion, but retaining many of the characteristics of Christianity and belief in God, has grown up. Organisations crossing religions, such as the Multi-Faith Association, Sophia (the women's spirituality group) and the Queer Spirituality conference have come into being. The Pagan Society, Humanist Society and South Australian Atheist Society represent yet another slant on modern religious practice in South Australia.
http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=1455

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:18 pm
by Mountaineer
Has anyone seen the Facebook group "opposing everything because I'm from Adelaide"?

Sorry if it's been posted by damn it's funny.

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:01 am
by Wayno
Thanks Mountaineer :-) Less funny but worth a watch is the National Geographic episode - 'Adelaide - Smart City'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDnPGa5SPN4
Adelaide has used its multi-cultural population, astonishing landscapes, architecture and even its wine culture, to form a city that's alive and vibrant. ADELAIDE is the only Australian city to be selected for a new National Geographic Channel series showcasing the world's most liveable cities.

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 8:36 am
by [Shuz]
Felt it was apt to post in this thread;

The Government finally overturned the draconian laws which prevented you from being able to stand up whilst drinking outdoors at a pub.

Let us all stand and rejoice! :cheers:

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 9:21 am
by monotonehell
[Shuz] wrote:Felt it was apt to post in this thread;

The Government finally overturned the draconian laws which prevented you from being able to stand up whilst drinking outdoors at a pub.

Let us all stand and rejoice! :cheers:
Yay! Back to alcohol stopping you standing up while drinking.

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 4:24 pm
by Vee
Interesting item in The Conversation highlighting the Australian city apartment boom (esp Melbourne), with a focus on size and design and impact on urban living.

Life in a windowless box: the vertical slums of Melbourne.
Australia’s apartment boom is in full swing. Nationally, 40% of new dwellings are now apartments or units, and building approvals outnumber those for houses. Melbourne and Brisbane are the most extreme cases, but these trends are national; and they are fundamentally reshaping the future of urban Australia.

In Melbourne, for example, the inner city is being flooded with 1-2 bedroom micro-apartments set in increasingly tall towers (+30 storeys). Almost half are under 50 square metres - not much bigger than a generous double garage. These would be outlawed in other world cities, including Sydney. The Property Council of Australia and much of the industry acknowledges the problem. Victorian Planning Minister Richard Wynne has now released a discussion paper, and there is a plan for new guidelines next year.
....
The Conversation:
http://theconversation.com/life-in-a-wi ... urne-41181

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:31 pm
by The Scooter Guy
Yet another venue bites the dust! :cheers:
http://ripitup.com.au/music/adelaide-mu ... Vrcd7mqpBd

As usual, Lockout Nazis run amok, round f***ing 50,000! :evil:

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:35 am
by monotonehell
The Scooter Guy wrote:Yet another venue bites the dust! :cheers:
http://ripitup.com.au/music/adelaide-mu ... Vrcd7mqpBd

As usual, Lockout Nazis run amok, round f***ing 50,000! :evil:
Well no.

Lockouts are a stupid idea that does no one any good. But if you read the article, the owner is actually closing this venue at end of lease and looking to start a new one. There's some grumbling about loading space in Bank Street, added by the journalist not mentioned by the owner. Seems more like a business decision to not continue a tired venue another decade.

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 11:02 am
by Nathan
monotonehell wrote:
The Scooter Guy wrote:Yet another venue bites the dust! :cheers:
http://ripitup.com.au/music/adelaide-mu ... Vrcd7mqpBd

As usual, Lockout Nazis run amok, round f***ing 50,000! :evil:
Well no.

Lockouts are a stupid idea that does no one any good. But if you read the article, the owner is actually closing this venue at end of lease and looking to start a new one. There's some grumbling about loading space in Bank Street, added by the journalist not mentioned by the owner. Seems more like a business decision to not continue a tired venue another decade.
Not sure about that grumbling about loading space either. I got pinged many times loading into various venues when I was playing. Even if there's parks outside a venue, you can guarantee that every single time they'll already be taken. It's annoying when a parking fine wipes out almost all of what you get paid for the gig, but it's an issue that certainly wasn't unique to The Cavern.

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 2:22 pm
by monotonehell
Nathan wrote:
monotonehell wrote:
The Scooter Guy wrote:Yet another venue bites the dust! :cheers:
http://ripitup.com.au/music/adelaide-mu ... Vrcd7mqpBd

As usual, Lockout Nazis run amok, round f***ing 50,000! :evil:
Well no.

Lockouts are a stupid idea that does no one any good. But if you read the article, the owner is actually closing this venue at end of lease and looking to start a new one. There's some grumbling about loading space in Bank Street, added by the journalist not mentioned by the owner. Seems more like a business decision to not continue a tired venue another decade.
Not sure about that grumbling about loading space either. I got pinged many times loading into various venues when I was playing. Even if there's parks outside a venue, you can guarantee that every single time they'll already be taken. It's annoying when a parking fine wipes out almost all of what you get paid for the gig, but it's an issue that certainly wasn't unique to The Cavern.
Aye it's a problem for a lot of people doing gigs. Loading zones often revert to general parking after office hours. Not to mention people who park where ever they please in back lanes, clogging the only loading zones out back of some venues.

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 2:42 pm
by rev
Nathan wrote:Not sure about that grumbling about loading space either. I got pinged many times loading into various venues when I was playing. Even if there's parks outside a venue, you can guarantee that every single time they'll already be taken. It's annoying when a parking fine wipes out almost all of what you get paid for the gig, but it's an issue that certainly wasn't unique to The Cavern.
Why can't the council do tow away zones, and enforce it when there's a gig on?
Provide venue management with permits for bands and artists to display in their vans or trucks so they don't get towed. Anyone else they should tow their car and send them the bill. Simple and effective. When word spreads of cars getting towed, watch how quickly everyone will comply with what the posted signs say.

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 3:25 pm
by The Scooter Guy
...now the Soul Box on Hindley! :wallbash:
http://ripitup.com.au/music/news/the-so ... WFmokaM5SA

Like I mentioned before, we do not like the ridiculous & harsh after-midnight lockout laws that make especially long term owners, lessors, staff, etc feel like they've done something wrong.
Lockouts should be abolished & boycotted in every solitary way you can possibly imagine!

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 4:04 pm
by Norman
How can you boycott a lockout?

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 4:14 pm
by rev
The Scooter Guy wrote:...now the Soul Box on Hindley! :wallbash:
http://ripitup.com.au/music/news/the-so ... WFmokaM5SA

Like I mentioned before, we do not like the ridiculous & harsh after-midnight lockout laws that make especially long term owners, lessors, staff, etc feel like they've done something wrong.
Lockouts should be abolished & boycotted in every solitary way you can possibly imagine!
But Scooter they have done something wrong. From small venues to big venues, they all do one thing wrong, which contributes to late night alcohol fueled violence.
They continue to serve obviously intoxicated people. Either the staff do not have adequate training, or they do not care, or the owners are pushing for maximum sales of alcohol to increase profits or break even.

Under liquor licensing laws it's an offence to continue to sell alcohol to intoxicated people. It's called responsible service of alcohol. Or RSA and not only do bar staff have to have the appropriate certificates, but security(crowd controllers) also have to have an RSA endorsement on their license to be able to work in a licensed venue.
Crowd controllers have the power to "cut you off"..that means they can direct bar staff to not serve you any alcohol anymore. Bar staff have to comply with that.
The problem ultimately falls in the lap of the owners/operators of these venues, because they are the ones who are directing the staff and security.
For security it's easy to sit back, watch someone get plastered and then gather the boys and turf that person safely in numbers. The problem then is no longer in the venue but on the street. Hence the lockout laws in place now.

They have been taking advantage of the fact the Liquor licensing branch doesn't have the man power to deal with this problem.
They have been taking advantage of the fact the police on weekends are too busy dealing with other problems.

The other problem is dealing inside clubs. They know it's going on. They know whose dealing because every weekend it's the same faces in the same corners dealing.
I can direct you right now where to go in HQ if you want to buy a pill next saturday night. I haven't been to HQ since I was a teenager, but from younger people I know, the same spots are still used for dealing, and nothing is done to stop it.

Even without alcohol mixed in, these people end up in the street, and that's why we have lock out laws today. Because of the problems caused by people who've had too many drugs and too much to drink inside clubs who end up getting thrown out for the night for causing trouble, who then go on to cause trouble in the streets.
Go visit the RAH emergency department on the weekend, you'll see where people from the "front line" end up and the injuries and problems they turn up with.

So in reality, they should stop bitching and moaning about a problem THEY helped create, and instead engage with the government, with SAPOL and with the liquor licensing branch, about how to better deal with the problems.

They are trying to create hysteria amongst the public, to bring public opinion on their side so they can pressure the government to drop the lockout laws.

If people can't behave responsibly and consume alcohol and drugs in moderate amounts so they don't turn into violent wankers and dick heads, then people don't deserve to have the freedom to go where they want at any time of night they want.

The safety of the rest of the public who are out for a good night, the safety of paramedics and ambos and police who are out there to keep the community safe, the safety of nurses and other hospital staff, the safety of bus and taxi drivers, is far more important then a few venues futures.

They all know the laws and what their obligations are, they should have all acted within the liquor licensing laws.

Re: Beer Garden

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 12:28 pm
by obituary resider
Hi all, hopefully this is the right place to share this video - its by an urban designer who had a lot to do with kick starting Melbourne lane-way revival. He talks about the 'fine grain' of cities and why lane-ways are not necessarily the answer for Sydney (and Adelaide) and has a fantastic discussion about what Adelaide might want to aim for as well. I found it really enjoyable! It is 3 years old but still very relevant.

https://vimeo.com/29581163