Beer Garden

[monotonehell]

Nuclear waste is only a commitment until reactors are built that can use it as fuel

It's waste because it's already been used as fuel.

Unless you are talking about waste reprocessing? Which has had a lot of research money thrown at it and yet to provide a workable solution. The current consensus is storage is a better solution.

[Llessur2002]

And in other other news, I hear rumours of a pizza shop run by the Red Door guys and a boutique wine bar called Croydon Social opening on Elizabeth (aka Queen) Street in Croydon. Good thing I love both pizza and wine...

And it's up and running: http://citymag.indaily.com.au/habits/pl ... on-social/

Had a quick chat with the owner the other day - they promise a good craft beer selection...

[claybro]

It's waste because it's already been used as fuel.Unless you are talking about waste reprocessing? Which has had a lot of research money thrown at it and yet to provide a workable solution. The current consensus is storage is a better solution

So your against the nuclear industry then? State your position. That's fine so long your "Greens" party is also up front and explains that they are also against nuclear, because they seem to have some folk confused that they somehow support nuclear power generation due to a requirements of lowering greenhouse gasses. It seems it is fine to throw massive subsidies to unproven and so far unworkable technology as far as base load power is concerned-wind and solar, but it not ok to subsidise set up of already working technology?

[monotonehell]

It's waste because it's already been used as fuel.Unless you are talking about waste reprocessing? Which has had a lot of research money thrown at it and yet to provide a workable solution. The current consensus is storage is a better solution

So your against the nuclear industry then? State your position. That's fine so long your "Greens" party is also up front and explains that they are also against nuclear, because they seem to have some folk confused that they somehow support nuclear power generation due to a requirements of lowering greenhouse gasses. It seems it is fine to throw massive subsidies to unproven and so far unworkable technology as far as base load power is concerned-wind and solar, but it not ok to subsidise set up of already working technology?

The only people who are confused are those who haven't listened to the science and keep trotting out the same debunked non-arguments.

My position has been reached by reviewing the facts and current technology available. I'm not anti-nuclear by faith, and then look for rhetoric to support that faith.

* The Green's position on Nuclear Power & Nuclear Dumps are well documented and supported by references.
Stop building strawmen. Look it up and read it.

* Nuclear power produces less carbon than fossil fuels - true, however it's not "green". It has major externalities.
The entire extraction - supply - waste chain is massive and has externalised costs to the environment all along the way. Not to mention the waste situation is far from solved.

* Renewables are proven and working in the field and the "base load" argument is a myth.
Here's a reasonable summary, however do read more widely as this web site is obviously biased.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=374

* Fossil fuel is already receiving massive subsidies.
This creates an artificial marketplace and a barrier to any new technologies entering (nuclear included)

* As explained above, the subsidies required for nuclear power are ongoing, not startup. Nuclear power is not economically viable without constant subsidies. Nuclear reprocessing has been researched since the 1960s and is so far unworkable. Renewables have startup costs, and minimal maintenance costs. The only subsidies required are to get past the artificial market for fossil fuels.


That's my position in a nutshell. And my reasoning. If you have any valid debunking for the above points, I am interested in having my position changed by evidence. If all you have is unfounded rhetoric then don't bother.

[claybro]

Renewables have startup costs, and minimal maintenance costs

You are joking right? Then clearly you don't have any solar panels on your roof? Maintenance is a huge issue, and the lifespan is quite limited at maximum efficiency. I know...I have them installed. (and it is not just me complaining about problems with the panels after as little as 10 years). Battery storage is costly, requires replacement at regular intervals and is still unproven. As for wind farms, maintenance is proving a huge hurdle particularly in extreme climates. Do you assume that China and India would be constructing dozens of coal and nuclear power plants each year if renewables were so cheap and easy to implement? China by its own admission will be INCREASING its emissions for the next 30 years, so clearly they don't see renewables having a huge impact any time soon. Also, without base load power supplied by coal, gas and in most countries-nuclear, the wind turbines would not even be able constructed. Don't get me wrong, I would love a situation where all power was suppled by solar, wind, geothermal etc, and we could do away with non renewables, but we are no where near this point, and there is no reason why SA cant jump on the nuclear bandwagon in the meantime.

[Waewick]

anyway

I went to the pink moon saloon on Leigh Street the other day

pretty nice.

[Llessur2002]

anyway

I went to the pink moon saloon on Leigh Street the other day

pretty nice.

Awesome - it's on my list of small bars to experience. How small actually is it? Looked like a pretty small gap between those buildings...

[Waewick]

anyway

I went to the pink moon saloon on Leigh Street the other day

pretty nice.

Awesome - it's on my list of small bars to experience. How small actually is it? Looked like a pretty small gap between those buildings...

Yes it is very small. But food was nice. Staff friendly.

[Wayno]

Look what passed by Gilles St earlier this evening. Much singing and panting...











Don't tell anyone, but I think they may have been drink pedalling!

[Goodsy]

Were some streets around Adelaide raised above ground level at some point in time? There's a few buildings around that have windows below the street level and some around Port Adelaide as well I think.
I was wondering if it was something like what they did in Chicago where they built a new road so the old ground floor became the basement and the second floor became the new ground floor.

[monotonehell]

Were some streets around Adelaide raised above ground level at some point in time? There's a few buildings around that have windows below the street level and some around Port Adelaide as well I think.
I was wondering if it was something like what they did in Chicago where they built a new road so the old ground floor became the basement and the second floor became the new ground floor.

The windows in the footpath and windows in wells were to allow sun light into the basement levels of buildings. They were designed that way, not retrofitted because the street level rose. After electric light became more widespread, this practice ceased.

[SRW]

Were some streets around Adelaide raised above ground level at some point in time? There's a few buildings around that have windows below the street level and some around Port Adelaide as well I think.
I was wondering if it was something like what they did in Chicago where they built a new road so the old ground floor became the basement and the second floor became the new ground floor.

I'm not sure about the city, but I'm fairly certain you're correct about Port Adelaide. It was originally built not much higher than the tidal flats, thus would regularly flood. IIRC, as the port was expanded and dredged, land was reclaimed and some ground levels raised - hence early buildings were adapted to new heights.

[The Scooter Guy]

Yet another fashion retail chain is closing its Mitcham Square, Burnside & Glenelg stores after 100 years.
Can anyone tell the name since the article is 'Advertiser Plus' and I'm tired of dealing with the same crap since the very beginning.

[ml69]

Yet another fashion retail chain is closing its Mitcham Square, Burnside & Glenelg stores after 100 years.
Can anyone tell the name since the article is 'Advertiser Plus' and I'm tired of dealing with the same crap since the very beginning.

The chain is Judells.

To get past the Advertiser paywall, copy the title of the Advertiser story and paste into Google, and click on the search link. You can only do this once a day for the same article.

[Waewick]

holy crap.

I accdiently read the comments section of the Adelaidenow webiste

what a collection of humans that is.