News & Discussion: Electricity Infrastructure

[abc]

you're having a meltdown and lashing out

I suggest you go offline for a while

come back when you can stay on topic

Now that’s the pot calling the kettle black.

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[rubberman]

you're having a meltdown and lashing out

I suggest you go offline for a while

come back when you can stay on topic

Now that’s the pot calling the kettle black.

He omitted the last thirty years of temperatures in that graph. Honestly, if you engage with people arguing in bad faith you waste your own time.

[abc]

you're having a meltdown and lashing out

I suggest you go offline for a while

come back when you can stay on topic

Now that’s the pot calling the kettle black.

He omitted the last thirty years of temperatures in that graph. Honestly, if you engage with people arguing in bad faith you waste your own time.

its on a scale of 500 years

sorry the year 2500 is a way off yet

its barely changed in the last 25

I know graph reading is hard for people like you

remember this from 2000

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past

https://web.archive.org/web/20100113183 ... 24017.html

[rubberman]

Some actually on topic graphs.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/know-your-n ... l-and-gas/

[abc]

Some actually on topic graphs.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/know-your-n ... l-and-gas/

'reneweconomy' website

solid objective source ace

[rubberman]

Some actually on topic graphs.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/know-your-n ... l-and-gas/

'reneweconomy' website

solid objective source ace

Er yes, the data was sourced from the NEM. So, yeah. Pretty solid.

[rubberman]

And some more from the real world:


Robe, in the South-east is getting a new battery setup for improving supply and also vehicle charging. It's one of several small country towns getting the improvements.

The improvement comes from the reduced reliance on long distance transmission lines. Country transmission lines have long been uneconomic and subsidised by metropolitan users. Having batteries close to the point of use, such as a small town means not only less reliance on long transmission lines, but also a far shorter travel distance for local repair crews if needed. That means shorter and fewer outages.

The article also mentions charging for electric vehicles. That's also important now that EVs are coming down in price and also introducing a lot of extra features as well. Obviously, the vroom vroom crowd will be loyal to petrol and diesel, but the average punter looking for a new car is more and more seeing EV prices getting lower, and features increasing. In addition, with more people seeing cheaper EVs, and buying them, tourist towns will need to have charging points, otherwise EV owners with range anxiety will drive on.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-04/ ... /104883438

[rubberman]

Some more about possible price increases, with reasons. Note, political content for those wishing to avoid it.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... dApp_Other

[abc]

Some more about possible price increases, with reasons. Note, political content for those wishing to avoid it.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... dApp_Other

its a politically aligned publication

should be in a politics thread

[rubberman]

Some more about possible price increases, with reasons. Note, political content for those wishing to avoid it.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... dApp_Other

its a politically aligned publication

should be in a politics thread

Ad hominem argument. What facts do you dispute?

[abc]

Some more about possible price increases, with reasons. Note, political content for those wishing to avoid it.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... dApp_Other

its a politically aligned publication

should be in a politics thread

Ad hominem argument. What facts do you dispute?

there's no Ad hominem here, I was agreeing with you

its an opinion piece by a partisan hack...that's ad hominem...doesn't mean its not an accurate assessment though

[Algernon]

And some more from the real world:


Robe, in the South-east is getting a new battery setup for improving supply and also vehicle charging. It's one of several small country towns getting the improvements.

The improvement comes from the reduced reliance on long distance transmission lines. Country transmission lines have long been uneconomic and subsidised by metropolitan users. Having batteries close to the point of use, such as a small town means not only less reliance on long transmission lines, but also a far shorter travel distance for local repair crews if needed. That means shorter and fewer outages.

The article also mentions charging for electric vehicles. That's also important now that EVs are coming down in price and also introducing a lot of extra features as well. Obviously, the vroom vroom crowd will be loyal to petrol and diesel, but the average punter looking for a new car is more and more seeing EV prices getting lower, and features increasing. In addition, with more people seeing cheaper EVs, and buying them, tourist towns will need to have charging points, otherwise EV owners with range anxiety will drive on.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-04/ ... /104883438

With how battery technology stands, both technologically and price, we're appraoching the point that a whole bunch of remote and semi remote areas don't need to be connected to a grid at all. Transmission can be replaced with local generation and battery now.

Also with scalability of batteries, there are many use cases which don't justify grid connection at all anymore. For example, street lights. No need for grid power and all that cabling at all anymore. Pole, bulb, battery, panel. Done.

[rubberman]

https://www.aer.gov.au/news/articles/ne ... -standards

Callide B power station fined $9m for being responsible for the explosion that put it out of action for months.

Noting that the removal of this capacity put upwards pressure on prices.

Good old reliable coal.

[rubberman]

Gee, golly gosh! Even the Australian Financial Review is reporting on cheaper renewables.

Apparently, with further increases in nuclear, and also including the poles and wires, renewables are still cheaper.

https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-c ... 219-p5esl6

[PeFe]

Construction has started on a new battery near Mannum

From Renew Economy

Construction starts on first giga-scale battery project in South Australia



Danish energy giant Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners has announced it has begun construction of the Summerfield battery in South Australia, the first giga-scale battery project in Australia’s most advanced renewable energy state.

The battery, sized at 240 MW and 960 MWh, is located around 55 kms east of Adelaide, near Mannum in the Murraylands region of the state, and will add much needed storage to boost reliability and security in the state as it charges towards its target of “net” 100 per cent renewables by 2027.

CIP is one of the biggest renewable energy investors in the world, and is invested in what is expected to be Australia’s first offshore wind farm in Victoria.

Summerfield is its first battery project in Australia, and is one of half a dozen big battery projects currently under development in the state, including the Bungama battery that landed an innovative finance deal on Friday, and the Limestone Coast battery, which is committed to 250 MW and 750 MWh, but could be double the size.

The battery will feature Canadian Solar’s e-Storage battery system technology and the Canadian group will build and operate the project under a 20-year deal.

A 10-year off-take agreement has been signed with Origin Energy, Australia’s biggest energy retailer, and is part of its rapidly growing portfolio of owned and contracted battery storage assets, including the country’s biggest (700 MW and 2,800 MWh) at Eraring, where it operates the biggest coal generator.

“Australia needs large-scale battery energy storage solutions to stabilise the grid and deliver affordable power to homes and businesses when needed most,” said Jørn Hammer, the head of CIP Australia.

“We are proud to work with Canadian Solar’s e-Storage and Origin Energy to support the South Australian government’s 100 per cent renewable energy ambitions.

State energy minister Tom Koutsantonis says it is pleasing that CIP’s first Australian battery project is being built in South Australia.

“A four-hour 240MW battery can store enough energy to power at least 50,000 South Australian homes a day,” he said in a statement.

“This will deliver clear benefits to the state including improving the reliability and stability of the grid. It will also have local benefits for the south-east, including supporting over 100 jobs during planning and construction.”

Origin’s Head of supply and operations Greg Jarvis noted that the company will now own or contract a battery storage asset in each state that makes up the National Electricity Market.

“Origin’s battery portfolio, including the offtake from the Summerfield battery, will play an important role in helping firm increasingly variable renewable energy supply in the NEM and maintaining secure, reliable energy supply for customers,” he said.

It is also the biggest contract for Canadian Solar’s e-Storage in Australia. Its head Colin Parker said the project will make a significant contribution to South Australia’s 2027 target of 100 per cent net electricity generation from renewables.

The state has sourced 72 per cent of its local demand needs from wind and solar over the last 12 months, and intends to reach “net” 100 per cent renewables by 2027, making it the first major grid to reach that milestone in the world.

It means the state will produce enough wind and solar to meet average demand needs, but will import and export from and to other states, including via the new transmission link to NSW. The Summerfield project includes a transmission link that will boost the capacity of the south east renewable zone to 600 MW.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/constructio ... australia/

And the Bungama battery at Port Pirie, currently under construction, will be joined by a solar farm

https://reneweconomy.com.au/huge-solar- ... nd-beyond/