Housing Developments | Northern Suburbs

[Cruise]

Good morning,

And a good morning to you

[Shuz]

RIght back at you,

You'd be better off actually submitting your thoughts to the Premier's office than around here. We don't do much other than to read it and move on.

[Wilfy 2007]

RIght back at you,

You'd be better off actually submitting your thoughts to the Premier's office than around here. We don't do much other than to read it and move on.

Shuz,

I have been submitting my thoughts to the Government and opposition MP's since October 2007.

Regards,

[Shuz]

So... why dribble here?

[Wilfy 2007]

Hiya Spike,

The Queen and I are from Adelaide, we moved over here for a while just because the time seemed right to see a different part of the world.

Gawler is the sort of place that's vulnerable when growth happens. For a long time it was probably just a bit too far from Adelaide for it to be attractive as an option for people to work in town and commute from Gawler. Now that's changed, maybe people are just more comfortable with the idea of driving all that way everyday. Then people from the city see these areas that have cheaper land and offer an attractive country town and decide that this is the place that they can go to build a house bigger than the one they could afford in town. The areas are still cheap when you compare them to Unley, but not cheap compared to Gawler twenty years ago. Worse still, it could start to become "bedroom communities" - the places that people "live" in only at night, and empty out by day when they go to work. The Queen feels like this is alarmingly like Australia sneaking it's way closer to America's style of development that has produced too many lifeless cities surrounded by enormous suburbs (that end up using valuable agricultural and natural areas); she totally agrees with you about sprawl being a disaster (I'm the Royal Typist tonight )

This is the reason that I'm not interested in seeing high-speed rail connecting Adelaide to the Barossa, Murray Bridge, or Victor Harbor. That just makes them targets for this same pattern.

But housing affordability is a real problem, and it's very hard to address it through development. A developer is a business, they want to maximise their profits. It's far easier to do that by selling to the top-end of the market than by selling to the affordable end. It takes a long time for this to lower prices; basically it takes waiting for the new stuff to age enough to become affordable.

The situation in America is different for a few reasons:

• America's economy is underpinned by inexpensive Hispanic labour, especially in the building and farming trades. That is their ugly little secret.
• Tract development (where a developer buys a big parcel of land and then builds the same house over and over) is cheap, but makes for boring areas.

And don't forget that the average wages in the States is lower than you'd expect (it always surpises me, anyway), so housing isn't as affordable here as you might think by just comparing house prices. Especially when you factor in the burden that owning and running multiple cars puts on families in these areas.

All in all, I don't like hearing anybody saying that Australia should be as "productive" as America's housing market. If you acheive that at the expense of uninsured labourers getting below minimum wage to build ghastly nightmares, they can keep it. What's the alternative for affordability? I wish I had an answer for that problem, I'm still looking for it

Prince George,
Queen Anne,

Do either of you remember the days of the New House Developments where a contractors were selected to build subdivisions for the South Australian Housing Trust. The reason I am asking is because I lived in Parafield Gardens in the early 80's where I think one of the last subdivisions was built. I think the Builder was Alpine Constructions.
Does the Housing Trust still do theses subdivisions, or did they stop in the 80's.

Regards,

[Wilfy 2007]

Gidday,

Was talking to a Gawler East Resident on Friday Night and he advised that he had attended a meeting/meetings with the Gawler Council and Delphin and they have asked the SA Government about the Infastructure for a new Station.

Anybody know anything about this?

Regards,

[crawf]

Daycorp Phoeniz rises in Gawler

Developer DayCorp says its $30 million dollar retail and commercial hub at Gawler only reflects SA’s prosperity, with the regional centre’s population predicted to increase by 30% during the next decade.

A trade area analysis report commissioned by DayCorp projects population in the Gawler Council area will grow from the present 19,000 to 27,283 by 2021. The 6508 square metre shopping centre, Phoenix Plaza, will incorporate the historic former Phoenix Foundry building at Gawler.

DayCorp Director Travis Day reports “a high level of interest” in the new centre both locally and interstate with Target putting its hand up as anchor tenant.

“As SA’s economic growth continues to strengthen in the northern areas of Adelaide, quality shopping centres with quality tenants are needed,” Travis says. “For such a high profile brand as Target to commit to this development is an excellent indication of the interest in and continuing growth and success of the region.

“This development has been well researched and considered to ensure it meets the needs of the local population as well preserving a historical building which is part of Gawler’s history.”

Phoenix Plaza will feature:

•Target as the anchor tenant

•19 specialty shops

•The heritage Phoenix Foundry building will be refurbished and become commercial office suites

•A decked car park of 292 car parking spaces houses an undercover loading dock servicing...

http://www.in-business.com.au/magazine/ ... awler/2104

[Will]

Woodhead Architects have updated their website revealing some information regarding this project as well as some images:

In collaboration with GHD, Connell Wagner, Rider Levett Bucknall and Currie Brown, Woodhead formed the Edinburgh Design Team to undertake the role of masterplanning, architecture, heritage, interior design and graphic design for the relocation of elements of 1st Brigade from Darwin to Adelaide as part of the Hardened and Networked Army initiative by the Australian Defence Force.

As the largest design contract ever let by Defence, the project will see the redeveolpment of a large part of the RAAF Base at Edinburgh, South Australia, for the new army base to include working accommodation, training facilities, messing and base infrastructure. The project, worth $623m, will create a generational change in facilities for Army as part of the adaptation for demanding future operational environments.

The project includes over 40 new buildings, designed to reflect the traditional values of the Edinburgh site, and also to create a new standard of amenity for personnel in achieving a sustainable working environment compatible with civilian standards. The ESD attributes of the project include investment in water and energy saving elements which will see the site become a flagship for Defence and a model benchmark for large scale developments throughout the country.

[mattblack]

What does the green represent on these renders?

[Will]

What does the green represent on these renders?

It looks like grass.

[mattblack]

What does the green represent on these renders?

It looks like grass.

I dont think that they know what grass looks like up there

[_MO_]

Looks like somebody in Canberra is thinking of boosting the defense, including new subs and all sorts of things. Good news for SA?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25 ... 21,00.html

[Wilfy 2007]

Gidday,

Anybody know what is happening with this development?
Was in South Australia over the Anzac weekend and had a look up and down Carlton Road, Gawler east.
There is plenty of room for a Park and ride facility at the junction of Anne Milroy lane, Railway Terrace and Carlton Road.
May be the start of the extension of a service to the barossa.
Perhaps it could be done in 2 or 5 yearly increments so that the cost is spread over a longer period and make it more affordably for the South Australian Government.

Does anybody have any thoughts on this development, or how it is progressing.

Regards,

[Somebody]

C'mon Wilfy, we can do better than a park-n-ride.

Developers should be made to pay for proper infrastructure if they want these developments, not lumping it on the taxpayer which will see things postponed for years. Delfin Lend Lease ought to fund a proper PT link to it, which can start with running the electrified Gawler Line service into the estate. Mawson Lakes has been somewhat of a success in this regard.

The station should open on the day the first bunches of houses open, not five years after the estate is settled as happens in my state.

[Wilfy 2007]

C'mon Wilfy, we can do better than a park-n-ride.

Developers should be made to pay for proper infrastructure if they want these developments, not lumping it on the taxpayer which will see things postponed for years. Delfin Lend Lease ought to fund a proper PT link to it, which can start with running the electrified Gawler Line service into the estate. Mawson Lakes has been somewhat of a success in this regard.

The station should open on the day the first bunches of houses open, not five years after the estate is settled as happens in my state.

Hi Somebody in the WWW,
How are you?
Yes you are right the Developers should pay as well but, In a conversation I had with a Gawler East resident recently he said the Council and the Developer asked the Government to supply the Infastructure.
But I agree with you, if the developer wants to develop the land and sell it off as a profit then they should also contribute to the P/T Infastructure.
In actual fact both the Gawler Council and the Barossa Council should get in volved with the Developer and the Government.
There is a lot of infastructure that needs to be upgraded between Gawler and Gawler Central as well.
I think the problem is that one is waiting for the other to make the first move and as you said it takes forever to happen, as in NSW.
Regards,