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stumpjumper wrote:Whicker also said that staying at West Lakes is out of the question for football, because 'there is no possibility of generating any more income from West Lakes, because there are simply no funds available to improve the site.

Do you know if any audio exist of this? I am not surprised to hear (not first hand) him say this as he has been similar in line to that comment before to 5AA but maybe not as to the point.

To me it is looking like a done deal with only minor details maybe getting in the way. As the saying goes “do not expect and then you won't be disappointed” so I will stay on the do not expect side of the fence for now but.

skyliner wrote: I thought the oval had a true 'oval' shape, but having been there only once, memory not a top reference point.

Have you ever been there for a football game?

The ridiculously deep pockets show that it is not a true oval.

Hooligan wrote:

skyliner wrote: I thought the oval had a true 'oval' shape, but having been there only once, memory not a top reference point.

Have you ever been there for a football game?

The ridiculously deep pockets show that it is not a true oval.

Excuse me please. Adelaide Oval is perfect in every possible way for football and is immune to any and all criticism now and in the future. Enough of your ignorance.

skyliner wrote:Interesting final photo of the city there! A good read however.

I thought the oval had a true 'oval' shape, but having been there only once, memory not a top reference point.

SA - STATE ON THE MOVE

look at it on google maps, hugely "D" shaped.

JamesXander wrote:To Stumpjumper please, for the sake of humanity stop spamming these threads.


To Ricecrackers, when Adelaide United demonstrate it can fill hindmrash perhaps a bigger stadiums may be an option. Or better yet, how about a sustainable Adelaide United?
As for the world cup, OMG BUILD STADIUMS I WANT DA WORLD CUP. Its not going to happen mate, read this article by Channel Seven finacial reporter Michael Pascoe http://www.watoday.com.au/business/bewa ... -krcb.html


READ IT!

It's not the capacity at Hindmarsh thats the only factor in AUFC being sustainable ffs, it's also the lack of corporate facilities thata hurting it also.

Plus no one is saying OMG BUILD STADIUMS I WANT DA WORLD CUP, the discussion/debate surrounding that topic is IF aus win it. You could find plenty of article saying why South Africa won't host a world cup yet it's happening.

Kal El wrote:

stumpjumper wrote:Whicker also said that staying at West Lakes is out of the question for football, because 'there is no possibility of generating any more income from West Lakes, because there are simply no funds available to improve the site.

Do you know if any audio exist of this? I am not surprised to hear (not first hand) him say this as he has been similar in line to that comment before to 5AA but maybe not as to the point.

To me it is looking like a done deal with only minor details maybe getting in the way. As the saying goes “do not expect and then you won't be disappointed” so I will stay on the do not expect side of the fence for now but.

Personally i expect it to happen, all the talk is just politics and scaremongering from all parties involved to try and get the best deal for themselves and fair enough. tbh i can't see how either of the AFL clubs or the SACA will be worse off with the setup.

Soccer won't be a major consideration unless the WC bid comes through, then it will be a major player.

I expect the redvelopment committee to come up with 2 rebuild plans, one for a WC suitable stadium and one not. Well at least i hope they do.

Personally i expect it to happen, all the talk is just politics and scaremongering from all parties involved to try and get the best deal for themselves and fair enough

Could not agree more flavze.

tbh i can't see how either of the AFL clubs or the SACA will be worse off with the setup.

Unless the estimated outcomes (ie $8 million per year for the clubs or whatever it is aren't achieved. Consider '4,000 full-time jobs at Newport Quays for ten years' - but don't get me started...

Do you know if any audio exist of this?

Dunno, Kal El. ABC891 or possibly Local Govt Assoc may put something on their site. Whicker did repeat the figure of $543 million.

Whicker's statement that there is no money to do any work at AAMI struck me because it's sort of circular and is close to meaningless - 'we have no budget for it because we have given it no budget'.

ridiculously deep pockets

As part of the Western Grandstand redevelopment they've realigned the football boundary to remove those deep pockets. They were ridiculous - almost in line with the posts.

ricecrackers wrote:

JamesXander wrote:To Stumpjumper please, for the sake of humanity stop spamming these threads.


To Ricecrackers, when Adelaide United demonstrate it can fill hindmrash perhaps a bigger stadiums may be an option. Or better yet, how about a sustainable Adelaide United?
As for the world cup, OMG BUILD STADIUMS I WANT DA WORLD CUP. Its not going to happen mate, read this article by Channel Seven finacial reporter Michael Pascoe http://www.watoday.com.au/business/bewa ... -krcb.html


READ IT!

you're quoting a Channel 7 reporter and you expect credibility?


seriously, you need to go buy some perspective mate

I don't need to buy anything. The fact remains Australia is not a soccer loving nation, the A league is full of unsustainable clubs, no exciting growth in crowd numbers....

yet we want to host a World Cup at the cost of BILLIONS of dollars. And what will the long term result of the WC. Well as we found out from the Olympics, the main attendees were infact Australians. Security nows sucks up alot of resources. And the NSW government is still paying off debt from the Olympics. Long term result as well, the Australian Governmnet is left with an even bigger debt, Australia is left with even more unsustainable stadiums, particualry soccer stadiums.

What do we gain out of this? Brand Australia apparently, and a few weeks of soccer filled fun action time!!!! The report commissioned by FFA even suggests a Billion dollar loss!!! YAY HAPPY TIMES!


The very fact that FFA chewed through $30m to put a bid together (at tax payers expense) should raise alarm bells.

JamesXander wrote:The fact remains Australia is not a soccer loving nation, the A league is full of unsustainable clubs, no exciting growth in crowd numbers....

Exactly and will never be.. Not whilst the A-League is just a B-Grade competition. The fact remains that any promising young players will immediatly be snapped up by the large High paying European clubs and wont even play in the A-League - Ala Harry kewell and Tim Cahill.
Atleast when i go to an AFL match I know I'm watching some of the best Aussie Rules players in the world every weekend during the season. You'll never, ever, get that in the A-League in Australia. The worlds best players exclusively play in Europe because that's where the money is.

But anyway, who ever thinks Adelaide doesnt need a covered retractable roofed stadium in the city should of been at Football Park yesterday.. What a joke Adelaide looked on National TV and that has nothing to to with Port losing.. Smallest crowd to a Port game, stadium almost empty, ground was competly soaked, slow, fumbling football. Dont get me wrong it can be some what fun to watch wet weather football but seriously as a spectator it was a joke being there..

Then watching the Crows match last night at Docklands Stadium made me realise how out of time this city is??

Paulns wrote:

JamesXander wrote:The fact remains Australia is not a soccer loving nation, the A league is full of unsustainable clubs, no exciting growth in crowd numbers....

Exactly and will never be.. Not whilst the A-League is just a B-Grade competition. The fact remains that any promising young players will imediatly be snapped up by the large High paying European clubs and wont even play in the A-League - Ala Harry kewell.

don't agree tbh, Australia has the 3rd or 4th highest number of travelling fans the the WC in South Africa, soccer has the biggest number of participants in junior levels. Sure the A-League is struggling in areas at the moment but when looking at the MLS in the US and the J-League in japan they had similar struggles when getting started yet are now starting to thrive and build quality leagues.

Paulns wrote: Atleast when i go to an AFL match I know I'm watching some of the best Aussie Rules players in the world every weekend during the season. You'll never, ever, get that in the A-League in Australia. The worlds best players exclusively play in Europe because that's where the money is.

And i like to watch AFL for the same reason, but i also like seeing Aussies play overseas in soccer especially ones that have come through the a-league and especially AUFC in the future. The aim is for the A-League to match the 2nd tier Euro leagues eventually so that it's only the cream off the top that go's to the top 3 or 4 euro leagues. The A-League will never match the money in those leagues and shouldn't try.

Paulns wrote: But anyway, who ever thinks Adelaide doesnt need a covered retractable roofed stadium in the city should of been at Football Park yesterday.. What a joke Adelaide looked on National TV and that has nothing to to with Port losing.. Smallest crowd to a Port game, stadium almost empty, ground was competly soaked, slow, fumbling football. Dont get me wrong it can be some what fun to watch wet weather football but seriously as a spectator it was a joke being there..

Then watching the Crows match last night at Docklands Stadium made me realise how out of time this city is??

I agree that it's a disgrace that AFL being a winter competition isn't played in a stadium that has complete covering for the spectators, especially for the cost of a ticket nowdays. But i don't agree the pitch needs to be covered, it is part an parcel of the game that at times it's a quagmire and teams need to play wet weather footy during the season. The MCG will never be covered and if ya get a wet grand final than the teams that only play in perfect conditions all season are instantly disadvantaged, plus it gives the teams that do play in open wet stadiums during the season an extra advantage all season.

Teams just need to remember to how to play wet weather footy.

and specators in adelaide need to remember that it only rains 3-4 times during the season. Fully covered seating would be nice more so for shade than the rain (as its more often sunny than wet in Adelaide as Isaid). IMO i prefer to sit out in the open as the atmosphere kind of gets sucked out when your tucked away up the back under cover, but that's just my opinion.

BTW, people who think that this deal is shakey because the AOSMA asked for an extension for the deadline and all of this budgeting nonsense and so forth should learn to stop listeing to the media. The wheels are in motion. An extension was needed because they were set a monumental task in delivering an agreement with only 6 months. You've not only got to completely re-design a large sporting venue and its ancillary facilities, you've also got to get two major sporting boards and the teams within those boards to agree to terms, and then the spectators and members of those various associations. Its a MASSIVE consultatancy process and it takes time! The media, and some people on this forum like to pretend as if its a matter of asking a few questions, ticking some boxes and handing over the money.

stumpjumper wrote:

ridiculously deep pockets

As part of the Western Grandstand redevelopment they've realigned the football boundary to remove those deep pockets. They were ridiculous - almost in line with the posts.

I guess cycling wont be part of the new multipurpose venue then

JamesXander wrote:

ricecrackers wrote:

JamesXander wrote:To Stumpjumper please, for the sake of humanity stop spamming these threads.


To Ricecrackers, when Adelaide United demonstrate it can fill hindmrash perhaps a bigger stadiums may be an option. Or better yet, how about a sustainable Adelaide United?
As for the world cup, OMG BUILD STADIUMS I WANT DA WORLD CUP. Its not going to happen mate, read this article by Channel Seven finacial reporter Michael Pascoe http://www.watoday.com.au/business/bewa ... -krcb.html


READ IT!

you're quoting a Channel 7 reporter and you expect credibility?


seriously, you need to go buy some perspective mate

I don't need to buy anything. The fact remains Australia is not a soccer loving nation, the A league is full of unsustainable clubs, no exciting growth in crowd numbers....

yet we want to host a World Cup at the cost of BILLIONS of dollars. And what will the long term result of the WC. Well as we found out from the Olympics, the main attendees were infact Australians. Security nows sucks up alot of resources. And the NSW government is still paying off debt from the Olympics. Long term result as well, the Australian Governmnet is left with an even bigger debt, Australia is left with even more unsustainable stadiums, particualry soccer stadiums.

What do we gain out of this? Brand Australia apparently, and a few weeks of soccer filled fun action time!!!! The report commissioned by FFA even suggests a Billion dollar loss!!! YAY HAPPY TIMES!


The very fact that FFA chewed through $30m to put a bid together (at tax payers expense) should raise alarm bells.

comparing the World Cup to the Olympics is just

flavze wrote:don't agree tbh, Australia has the 3rd or 4th highest number of travelling fans the the WC in South Africa, soccer has the biggest number of participants in junior levels. Sure the A-League is struggling in areas at the moment but when looking at the MLS in the US and the J-League in japan they had similar struggles when getting started yet are now starting to thrive and build quality leagues.

The MLS in the US will never match the heights or levels of the NFL just like its highly unlikley that the A-League will never match the NRL and AFL in Australia regardless of junior levels, traveling fans, etc. There's enough interest in both the AFL and NRL for it to remain this way in a country the size of Australia.

flavze wrote:And i like to watch AFL for the same reason, but i also like seeing Aussies play overseas in soccer especially ones that have come through the a-league and especially AUFC in the future.

I agree also, it's great watching Aussies play in the Premier League and the other first tier Europeans Leagues (Serie A, Bundesliga, La Liga, etc).

flavze wrote:I agree that it's a disgrace that AFL being a winter competition isn't played in a stadium that has complete covering for the spectators, especially for the cost of a ticket nowdays. But i don't agree the pitch needs to be covered, it is part an parcel of the game that at times it's a quagmire and teams need to play wet weather footy during the season. The MCG will never be covered and if ya get a wet grand final than the teams that only play in perfect conditions all season are instantly disadvantaged, plus it gives the teams that do play in open wet stadiums during the season an extra advantage all season.

Regardless of the MCG which is in a city of nearly 4 million people that is regarded as one of the Sporting capitals of the world, Adelaide people and Adelaide crowds are fickle and different. People do not want to pay good money as you put it, to sit outside in the rain, weather and cold winds to watch a game of football as evident yesterday at the Port game. The Huge near 100,000 seat capactiy stadium of the MCG has rightlfully left the field open but has provided a relatively covered seated venue. Melbourne and the AFL addressed the weather issue for AFL by constructing a medium sized covered stadium, which is what I believe would be more than suitable for a city with a popultion a third the size of Sydney and Melbourne.

Its also interesting to note that in Sydney they are considering covering ANZ Stadium with a retractable roof.

http://www.austadiums.com/news/news.php?id=417

flavze wrote:Teams just need to remember to how to play wet weather footy.

Professional Football teams do know how to play Wet weather footy, some teams better than others but that's not my point. I'm interested in a stadium that will provide maximum comfort for its spectators. I do not believe any Major Revelopment at the Adelaide Oval will provide that, without destroying what makes the ground one of the most picturesque Cricket venues in the world. Not to mention in a city that can have hot and dry Summers and cold, wet and windy Winters.