Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:23 pm
The phrase about heads in the sand doesn't quite describe how far gone some people really are. But hey, we should keep it as civil as possible.monotonehell wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:41 pmThe only reason I'm letting everyone's abuse stand is so others can see what people really think and the kinds of things that they decide are appropriate on a public forum. To remove anything at this point would be to hide people's ugly sides, and make any retaliations look out of proportion.
Also I'd get accusations of "stifling freedom of speech". It's a lose-lose situation.
I'm not actually opposed to gays. What I personally think is right or wrong, is irrelevant. Because we all have free will, and what I think or believe is of no relevance to anyone else, nor is it right for me, or anyone, to impose and force their beliefs or views on others. If only your side of this argument believed and practiced the same, which we can see quite clearly from their responses and their treatment of me, that they don't. Hence why I'm enjoying exposing their hypocrisy.
I have said gays should be able to get hitched. I believe they should. While I may or may not agree with their lifestyle, who am I to say they should or shouldn't? Who am I to impose my beliefs on them?
I have said that religious rights should be protected, and religious institutions should not be forced to conform to this LGBTQQI agenda being rammed down societies collective throat.
I was challenged on this. Well, more like attacked and had false accusations made of what I actually said, but whatever.
The opposing side says that we should follow other countries in legalizing SSM. Equality. blah blah.
I challenged this and provided examples of the negative impact of legalizing SSM, by providing examples of intollerance towards religious groups, and examples of where they are being forced to conform or face harsh penalties, and examples were even parents have lost rights regarding their children.
Nobody arguing against me, even though I technically agree gays should be able to tie the knot as long as religious groups are adequately protected, can counter any of the negative examples I've provided of the realities of forcing through SSM without a proper process.
How is it equality, if religious groups and religious people are being persecuted based on their religious beliefs/teachings in regards to same sex marriage? Not just overseas, but here in Australia as well..
And it is happening, you can bury your head in the sand as much as you like, pretend it's not going on, but it is going on, and those examples I provided don't even represent the pointiest end of the tip of the iceberg on the matter.
More then 50% of Australian's might agree, I assume the "non binding" vote will succeed, but what they agree on is that same sex couples should be able to get married.
What they are not being shown, and not being asked, is whether they agree that children should be forced into indoctrination, or whether they agree that religious groups/institutions and others should be exempt from this stuff if it is counter to their religious beliefs and scriptures.
Now pose those sorts of questions to the Australian public and you'll get a very different result to the expected success of the yes vote at present.
I was accused of cherry picking what suits my argument.
Well duh. I'm making an argument for something I believe in, in line with my views and opinion, of course I'm going to do my research and find facts that support my side of the argument. Do these people mean to tell me that they don't use facts that support their side of the argument?
I chose to inform my self on what's happening overseas, since SSM being legalized overseas therefore it should be legalized here is one of the battle cries of the yes campaign. Should I apologize to those whose feelings are hurt by the truth, because the truth and facts don't line up with their indoctrination?
