Beer Garden

[Omicron]

Speaking of shopping centres, why the hell do people get all dressed up to go shopping at a shopping centre?
I sometimes wonder if the door guy will let me in, after all, all i want is milk and margarine from Foodland. And not try and pick up.

What shopping centres do you patronise that employ doormen?

Westfield sercuity guards look like doormen.

If I move into a pricey apartment building, I hope that my doormen look like refined English types, and use phrases like 'Pip pip!' and 'I'd best put on my coat, sir'. Then, I shall invite them to my penthouse for fine English Breakfast tea and scones, and discuss matters pertinent to world affairs.

[Cruise]

I'm pretty sure the butler did it.

[monotonehell]

If I move into a pricey apartment building, I hope that my doormen look like refined English types, and use phrases like 'Pip pip!' and 'I'd best put on my coat, sir'. Then, I shall invite them to my penthouse for fine English Breakfast tea and scones, and discuss matters pertinent to world affairs.

One should not have the "help" around for tea, my dear.

[crawf]

Anyone see the pathetic story on TT tonight about the so called crime problem in the city and the proposed 2am lockout. While Harbo doesn't think the problem is that bad, however TT basically made out that it is.

They even went walking around Hindley Street at 4:30am on a quest to try and find a sober person (they interviewed a drunken chick from my work ). Like seriously use some logic, majority of sober people would not be hanging around the city at some crazy hour - I know I wouldn't be.

Yes ofcourse there is a alcohol related violence problem in the city, however its nowhere as a bad as what the media and some people claim it to be. I've walked quite a few times along Hindley St and other streets to catch a bus or taxi by myself and have been completely safe . Its only the minority that cause the trouble or the people who go looking for trouble

Regardless of what any news reports say Adelaide is a very safe city, and to be honest I feel much safer walking around the city at night compared to walking around in the suburbs, Darwin or Mildura etc at night.

The only problem I see is the recent shootings in entertainment precincts in Gouger St & Light Square, thanks to bikie gangs.

What this city needs is more police patrols in high profile entertainment zones of Hindley, Rundle & Gouger Streets, not a 2am lockout - which is currently being trialled in Melbourne and is turning out to be a disaster.

[Cruise]

the only real problem i can see with a 2am lockout would be the mad rush on the taxi rank at that hour, unless they start offering public transport at that hour.

And if they do i would not want to be a bus driver or train conductor at that time lol

[Omicron]

If I move into a pricey apartment building, I hope that my doormen look like refined English types, and use phrases like 'Pip pip!' and 'I'd best put on my coat, sir'. Then, I shall invite them to my penthouse for fine English Breakfast tea and scones, and discuss matters pertinent to world affairs.

One should not have the "help" around for tea, my dear.

If I'm not nice to the doormen, they'll key my Jaguar and soil my shoes.

[Will]

A 2AM lockout is a silly, reactionary idea used by inept politicians to show they are doing something when in fact they are doing nothing.

Instead of making the streets safer, a 2AM lockout would instead have the opposite effect. By 2AM people are already drunk. Imagine if people suddenly find themselves locked out from bars, pubs and clubs! Where would these people go? Are politicians so naive in thinking that every person will quietly get into a taxi and go home? Of course not! You will find mobs of bored drunk people wondering around aimlessly around the city. Having people wondering around outside the relative security provided by bars, clubs, pubs will only increase the amount of violent incidents. The frustration of having nothing to do will only increase the rage of young people and increase violence.

Eventually if these 2AM lockouts become permanent, the likely scenario will be that businesses will start to close down in the CBD. The reason why people go clubbing in the CBD is because the party goes until you want it to end. If the party is forced to end at 2AM, people are going to stop going into the CBD, and instead have party's a t home, which can end whenever you want them to end. This will be a serious problem on many facets. On one side you will see businesses closing down, causing the CBD to look like a ghost town at night. This would lead to further problems such as causing young people to resent living here more than they do already. But furthermore if people start having more house parties in the suburbs people will lose the luxury of having convenient transport to get home(taxis, public transport) and thus you will see an increase in drunk driving.

But essentially this arguement comes down to why should the vast majority of people who enjoy going clubbing be punished for a very small majority of people who like to get violent? It would be like banning knives because some people use them to stab others.

And whilst speaking of this issue, I was reading in the Messenger that Cr. Anne Moran wants in response to the recent shooting in Gouger Street to ban new nightclubs from being established on Gouger Street. I honestly cannot see how banning new nightclubs will lead to a reduction in something that isn't related to the nightclubs anyway?

[crawf]

This would lead to further problems such as causing young people to resent living here more than they do already.

Looks like this is going to go nation wide, its actually already in place in some cities and towns around Australia and overseas. Apparently the currently lockout in Glenelg has been sucessful, however I bet its because majority of these people go straight to the city.

Also I must point out that I believe the clubs wont close down at 2am, however if you leave the club after that you wont be able to go back in.

And whilst speaking of this issue, I was reading in the Messenger that Cr. Anne Moran wants in response to the recent shooting in Gouger Street to ban new nightclubs from being established on Gouger Street. I honestly cannot see how banning new nightclubs will lead to a reduction in something that isn't related to the nightclubs anyway?

Exactly.

[Will]

This would lead to further problems such as causing young people to resent living here more than they do already.

Looks like this is going to go nation wide, its actually already in place in some cities and towns around Australia and overseas. Apparently the currently lockout in Glenelg has been sucessful, however I bet its because majority of these people go straight to the city.

Also I must point out that I believe the clubs wont close down at 2am, however if you leave the club after that you wont be able to go back in.

And whilst speaking of this issue, I was reading in the Messenger that Cr. Anne Moran wants in response to the recent shooting in Gouger Street to ban new nightclubs from being established on Gouger Street. I honestly cannot see how banning new nightclubs will lead to a reduction in something that isn't related to the nightclubs anyway?

Exactly.

I realize that the lockout scheme is already happening in Melbourne, but that is irrelevant because the young people here suffer from "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome and thus it wont matter that the law is the same in other states because to them it will be just another reason to want to leave.

And I see no difference between a closing down or a lock-out at 2:00AM because every time I go clubbing or when I talk to others that go clubbing, no-one stays in the same place all night.

The only solution to the 'binge-drinking crisis' ( :wank: ) is to make alcohol more accessible. If alcohol is made more accesible, then it will lose the aura and mystique which currently makes it so desirable for people, particularly the young.

[crawf]

I realize that the lockout scheme is already happening in Melbourne, but that is irrelevant because the young people here suffer from "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome and thus it wont matter that the law is the same in other states because to them it will be just another reason to want to leave.

Well those people will be pathetic then, especially if it goes nation wide.

This binge drinking crisis is getting very pathetic, apparently supermarkets have been told to keep watch as desperate young people are now getting drunk on vanilla essence as it contains 30-80% alcohol and its dirt cheap plus wineries are considering on increasing the amount of alcohol in wines, I believe from 5 to 8%.

[Will]

I realize that the lockout scheme is already happening in Melbourne, but that is irrelevant because the young people here suffer from "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome and thus it wont matter that the law is the same in other states because to them it will be just another reason to want to leave.

Well those people will be pathetic then, especially if it goes nation wide.

This binge drinking crisis is getting very pathetic, apparently supermarkets have been told to keep watch as desperate young people are now getting drunk on vanilla essence as it contains 30-80% alcohol and its dirt cheap plus wineries are considering on increasing the amount of alcohol in wines, I believe from 5 to 8%.

I think this could be a great opportunity for Adelaide to shake off the 'boring' tag. If the whole country shuts down at 2:00AM, but we here in Adelaide are allowed to party until the sun comes up then it would go a long way to getting rid of the 'boring' tag. In fact, if marketed well enough, you may even get people coming to Adelaide for the weekend to party. Sound ridiculous? Well when the Wrest Point Casino opened in 1973 people would visit Hobart just to gamble.

[Shuz]

The only solution to the 'binge-drinking crisis' ( :wank: ) is to make alcohol more accessible. If alcohol is made more accesible, then it will lose the aura and mystique which currently makes it so desirable for people, particularly the young.

Finally, someone with sanity! This is exactly my point that I'm trying to get at, leaving it down to lesson of choice in life, rather than by lesson of restrictive force.

[urban]

wineries are considering on increasing the amount of alcohol in wines, I believe from 5 to 8%.

You're not a wine drinker are you crawf?

Wine generally contains around 12% alcohol. Some reds nudge the 14% mark.

[crawf]

I'm just going by a report I heard in the media the other day.

[Mants]

I'm just going by a report I heard in the media the other day.

i would question the reliability of this source.