News & Discussion: Adelaide Metro Trains

[monotonehell]

True, we are using more per capita, but because of immigration, there are more capitas.

<pedant voice> I must point out that "capita" is already plural, being Latin for "heads" (singular nominative: "capult"). I would also accept "capults". </pedant voice>

[arki]

Queensland's debt, in the 2013-14 fiscal year, was equal to 24.54 times it's Gross State Product ( http://theconversation.com/the-true-sta ... debt-36345 ) - not a position I'd want us to be in either.

That is a ratio of debt to GSP (ie debit is equal to 24% of GSP, not 24 times GSP!).

And such a ratio is extremely low by world standards, lower even than Australia's public debt. Public infrastructure in SA and Adelaide is terrible by any standard so if the government can come up with viable projects which boost our productivity as a state then there is nothing wrong with borrowing to build.

[rubberman]

True, we are using more per capita, but because of immigration, there are more capitas.

<pedant voice> I must point out that "capita" is already plural, being Latin for "heads" (singular nominative: "capult"). I would also accept "capults". </pedant voice>

Er, WRONG.

The latin word is "caput" in the nominative. If yer gunna be a pedant...get it right!

You did notice my in the original, didn't you. And no, caputs isn't an acceptable alternative. The use of the s plural is allowable for second declension neuter nouns, but not for third declension nouns.

Glad we cleared that up.

[monotonehell]

True, we are using more per capita, but because of immigration, there are more capitas.

<pedant voice> I must point out that "capita" is already plural, being Latin for "heads" (singular nominative: "capult"). I would also accept "capults". </pedant voice>

Er, WRONG.

The latin word is "caput" in the nominative. If yer gunna be a pedant...get it right!

You did notice my in the original, didn't you. And no, caputs isn't an acceptable alternative. The use of the s plural is allowable for second declension neuter nouns, but not for third declension nouns.

Glad we cleared that up.

Absolutely! Thank you for your correction. I slipped an L in there by mistake. No excuses.

But seriously, in English "caputs" is acceptable (as a loan word).

And yes I saw your I'm just being annoying hence my

[Vee]

Melbourne's trial of 24 hour public transport on weekends has raised a concern with residents who live near tracks, rail crossings.

Trains need to use their horns for safety reasons. Residents are complaining about impact on sleep, and some want "quiet zones" introduced.

Solution?

ABCNews:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/g ... ne/7073022

[ChillyPhilly]

Melbourne's trial of 24 hour public transport on weekends has raised a concern with residents who live near tracks, rail crossings.

Trains need to use their horns for safety reasons. Residents are complaining about impact on sleep, and some want "quiet zones" introduced.

Solution?

ABCNews:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/g ... ne/7073022

Experiment with changing the pitch during those hours. A lower pitch would be less likely to wake people, especially women, whose ears are biologically trained to wake up to higher pitched noises.

[OlympusAnt]

Meanwhile in Adelaide we still have a single track Belair line which operates at an hourly frequency on weekends

[Norman]

Meanwhile in Adelaide we still have a single track Belair line which operates at an hourly frequency on weekends

Unfortunately the residential areas around the Belair like are just not dense enough to want a frequent service. They could extend extra trains to Mitcham, but after that the car just becomes just too convenient for his residents to bother with the slow train.

[PeFe]

From The Adelaide Metro Site

UPDATE: Seaford line will re-open from first service Thursday 21 January in time for the Adelaide Strikers semi-final with works finishing ahead of schedule.

[claybro]

Unfortunately the residential areas around the Belair like are just not dense enough to want a frequent service

And yet we run full size Transadelaide buses with relative frequency up and down Belair road which is narrow, windy, wet sometimes foggy and not much better than a goat track! Feeding buses from hills areas into Blackwood station and ramping up train services would both attract commuters to the train to warrant further services, more services would attract some non PT users off Belair road and onto the train, and some buses could be removed from Belair and Unley roads freeing up the roads for better local use. PT organisers in Adelaide are very lazy when it comes to integrating bus and rail services even when there is clear provision to do so.

[Patrick_27]

Unfortunately the residential areas around the Belair like are just not dense enough to want a frequent service

And yet we run full size Transadelaide buses with relative frequency up and down Belair road which is narrow, windy, wet sometimes foggy and not much better than a goat track! Feeding buses from hills areas into Blackwood station and ramping up train services would both attract commuters to the train to warrant further services, more services would attract some non PT users off Belair road and onto the train, and some buses could be removed from Belair and Unley roads freeing up the roads for better local use. PT organisers in Adelaide are very lazy when it comes to integrating bus and rail services even when there is clear provision to do so.

I agree, I don't like the compare Adelaide with Melbourne BUT they do this; their bus network feeds commuters of the outer suburbs to their train network which has warranted the extension and reinstallation of train lines.

[OlympusAnt]

Unfortunately the residential areas around the Belair like are just not dense enough to want a frequent service

And yet we run full size Transadelaide buses with relative frequency up and down Belair road which is narrow, windy, wet sometimes foggy and not much better than a goat track! Feeding buses from hills areas into Blackwood station and ramping up train services would both attract commuters to the train to warrant further services, more services would attract some non PT users off Belair road and onto the train, and some buses could be removed from Belair and Unley roads freeing up the roads for better local use. PT organisers in Adelaide are very lazy when it comes to integrating bus and rail services even when there is clear provision to do so.

Sadly its a bit hard to do with single track running. The signalling is a mess and you never reach line speed these days.

Only duplication will solve these issues. Maybe if the colonies could have agreed on a rail gauge back in the 1880's this wouldn't have been an issue today

[claybro]

Given the frequency and that they only run only 1 or 2 car sets, the capacity of even the single line is well underutilised. Longer trains with increased frequency would suffice until duplication of the Adelaide Metro line could be achieved. I just don't think Adelaide has its head around what even the existing lines can do for improving PT use and extra road capacity by removing buses and cars from the road. Even the upgrade of the Seaford line has still left it very inefficient and slow running-too many stops, with trains that achieve no where near the speeds they are designed for.

[how good is he]

I noticed that the new SA Motorsport Park they are building at Tailem bend has a train line go right near it. It is Adel-Melb. train and would need a station built but just wondering if they ever wanted to run services one day (ie a V8 supercar race weekend told will happen), is Keswick the only point it could leave from?
Is there any stops or potential stations before in this line? And is this line regulated or could a metro train service ever be able to connect and use it?

[Waewick]

took the train to Noarlunga for the first time today.

train was great, the station was a dive.