The Federal Politics Thread

[rev]

Of course it's another broken promise. They knew they wouldn't be able to keep that promise. The UN would eat them for breakfast if they kept that promise.
Have you seen any country on the planet that has actually done anything serious about keeping out illegal immigrants? Greece for example is inundated with over 100,000 illegals every year. The year that the EU's border agency FRONTEX was sent in to help, illegal immigration actually saw an increase of nearly 1000%(and I'm not making up or exaggerating that figure in the slightest). It's a globalist policy/agenda.
When the government of the time proposed building a border fence to help combat the problem, the EU went ape shit.
It would have been cheaper to build a border fence and slow the tide, then it is to let them in and house/clothe/feed them. Apparently though the Greek government should cut peoples pensions(and I'm talking people in their 60's who've worked all their lives or served their country in the armed forces all their lives) so the citizens of the country are left with almost nothing, but provide almost everything to illegal immigrants. It's the same everywhere. Our governments here pay illegal immigrants..sorry "refugees"..for hardship. Wait, what hardship has Australia caused them? Why are we paying?

When Tony Abbott said that they would only front the media when there was something significant to report regarding illegal arrivals, why do you think he did that? Because he knew they weren't going to do anything to stop the boats. Their hands are tied anyway because of international/UN agreements that our governments have signed us up to. They cut back on the media releases so they wouldn't have to admit they cant do anything to stop the boats, and so that it would appear that they were keeping their promise and doing their job..because at the end of the day the majority of Australian's will not seek the facts you posted above Dog in that graphic.

[Dog]

Stop the boats and cut the debt, fails on both counts,

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[Waewick]

Israel seem to have done well without UN blessing. ....


People have also missed the point. Who talks about illegal migrants and debt and deficit any more?

No one, apart from labor., so the Libs have succeeded because people don't care any more.

[Will]

Israel seem to have done well without UN blessing. ....


People have also missed the point. Who talks about illegal migrants and debt and deficit any more?

No one, apart from labor., so the Libs have succeeded because people don't care any more.

You raise an interesting point.

However I put it to you, that it isn't that people have stopped caring about illegal immigrants, but rather the new Abbott government has made it trickier for the media to acquire information regarding boat arrivals, but also, the media itself (the popular media primarily - news.ltd), having been instrumental in poisoning people's opinion of the previous government, isn't going to be overtly hard on the government they so passionately helped getting elected.

[Dog]

Israel seem to have done well without UN blessing. ....


People have also missed the point. Who talks about illegal migrants and debt and deficit any more?

No one, apart from labor., so the Libs have succeeded because people don't care any more.

They do care 800,000 liberals have changed their mind already after just 100 days of shambles, and they are most fortunate their mate Rupert has been very kind. I doubt Gillard or Rudd would have got the same good press after 100 days of shambles and broken promises.
Even Abbott's European Alps Christmas holidays hasn't drawn any bad press, I can only imagine the press Gillard would have had doing the same thing. . She still can't even go to the beach with out news corp running commentary on it.


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[Aidan]

Of course it's another broken promise. They knew they wouldn't be able to keep that promise. The UN would eat them for breakfast if they kept that promise.
Have you seen any country on the planet that has actually done anything serious about keeping out illegal immigrants? Greece for example is inundated with over 100,000 illegals every year. The year that the EU's border agency FRONTEX was sent in to help, illegal immigration actually saw an increase of nearly 1000%(and I'm not making up or exaggerating that figure in the slightest). It's a globalist policy/agenda.

Considering the turmoil in Egypt and Libya, I'm surprised that figure wasn't higher.

When the government of the time proposed building a border fence to help combat the problem, the EU went ape shit.
It would have been cheaper to build a border fence and slow the tide, then it is to let them in and house/clothe/feed them.

I doubt a border fence would slow the tide at all, let alone enough to pay for itself. AIUI the Turkish border is already fenced, the Albanian border is naturally so hard to cross that a fence wouldn't make much difference, and as most undocumented arrivals are by boat, fencing the Bulgarian and Macedonian borders would have the opposite effect, keeping them in Greece longer.

Apparently though the Greek government should cut peoples pensions(and I'm talking people in their 60's who've worked all their lives or served their country in the armed forces all their lives) so the citizens of the country are left with almost nothing, but provide almost everything to illegal immigrants. It's the same everywhere.

Tabloid newspapers stirring up xenophobia seem to be the same the world over. But further investigation usually reveals that the "almost everything" is less than the "almost nothing".

Our governments here pay illegal immigrants..sorry "refugees"..for hardship. Wait, what hardship has Australia caused them? Why are we paying?

Locking them up causes great hardship. And living in Australia costs money - if we're preventing them from working then it's only fair that we should pay.

[rev]

Considering the turmoil in Egypt and Libya, I'm surprised that figure wasn't higher.

Tens of thousands arrive in Italy as well.
But there are millions of displaced people, from Syria especially, living in tent cities in neighboring countries. They are the REAL refugees who cant afford $10,000 a head to pay people smugglers to smuggle them across multiple countries into Europe, Australia and North America.

I doubt a border fence would slow the tide at all, let alone enough to pay for itself. AIUI the Turkish border is already fenced, the Albanian border is naturally so hard to cross that a fence wouldn't make much difference, and as most undocumented arrivals are by boat, fencing the Bulgarian and Macedonian borders would have the opposite effect, keeping them in Greece longer.

A properly built fence, that was properly monitored, would. Electronic sensors of all kinds exist to monitor such things from sophisticated cameras to other tech which alerts authorities of an intrusion. There's even a company in Greece which makes such camera/detection systems. But that's another long story.
Most arrivals in Italy are by boat. In Greece it's a mix of boats arriving from Turkey, to illegals being sent across the land border.

The Albanian border hard to cross? Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from Albania who flowed across years and years ago. Who were rounded up by the army, sent back across the border, then just crossed back again later. Tell that to the gun and drug smugglers.

As for that anomaly country you mentioned, meh.

Illegals aren't entering via Bulgaria. Or any country you mentioned. Except Turkey. A border fence(and I don't mean a white picket fence), would be very effective.

Locking them up causes great hardship. And living in Australia costs money - if we're preventing them from working then it's only fair that we should pay.

And what's wrong with them getting a job?

[Aidan]

Locking them up causes great hardship. And living in Australia costs money - if we're preventing them from working then it's only fair that we should pay.

And what's wrong with them getting a job?

Our laws prevent them from doing so until their immigration status is settled.

[Waewick]

Israel seem to have done well without UN blessing. ....


People have also missed the point. Who talks about illegal migrants and debt and deficit any more?

No one, apart from labor., so the Libs have succeeded because people don't care any more.

They do care 800,000 liberals have changed their mind already after just 100 days of shambles, and they are most fortunate their mate Rupert has been very kind. I doubt Gillard or Rudd would have got the same good press after 100 days of shambles and broken promises.
Even Abbott's European Alps Christmas holidays hasn't drawn any bad press, I can only imagine the press Gillard would have had doing the same thing. . She still can't even go to the beach with out news corp running commentary on it.


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Again I think you are over analysing polls 3 years out of an election. The Liberals rightly wouldn't give a toss about two party preferred. That can be fixed years 2 and 3.

Also you really aren't doing your credibilty much good when you anyway start taking about shambles and broken promises 100 days in. Nearly as bad as Shorten calling the current government addicted to debt at the first sitting of Parliament

[Waewick]

Israel seem to have done well without UN blessing. ....


People have also missed the point. Who talks about illegal migrants and debt and deficit any more?

No one, apart from labor., so the Libs have succeeded because people don't care any more.

You raise an interesting point.

However I put it to you, that it isn't that people have stopped caring about illegal immigrants, but rather the new Abbott government has made it trickier for the media to acquire information regarding boat arrivals, but also, the media itself (the popular media primarily - news.ltd), having been instrumental in poisoning people's opinion of the previous government, isn't going to be overtly hard on the government they so passionately helped getting elected.

Perhaps but topics of conversation change. You can already see that labor (and dog) are trying to act like Abbott light in opposition, but it isn't working because the crap they keep banging on about isn't relevant to the average Joe any more.

It is like Stephen Marschall and the Libs in SA, they are taking like it is six months ago and missing so many opportunities to rip into Jay and Labor.

Politics is about timing, Abbott had it to get in, bit I reckon he'll be out after one term because it looks like it was a shit one to win.

[rev]

Locking them up causes great hardship. And living in Australia costs money - if we're preventing them from working then it's only fair that we should pay.

And what's wrong with them getting a job?

Our laws prevent them from doing so until their immigration status is settled.

So our laws say they can be released into the Australian community, with no documents to prove who they are or where they come from, yet our laws not only prohibit them from getting a job but obligate our federal government to pay them significantly more money compared to our pensioner citizens, on a fortnightly basis?

[Aidan]

And what's wrong with them getting a job?

Our laws prevent them from doing so until their immigration status is settled.

So our laws say they can be released into the Australian community, with no documents to prove who they are or where they come from, yet our laws not only prohibit them from getting a job but obligate our federal government to pay them significantly more money compared to our pensioner citizens, on a fortnightly basis?

No, they're paid significantly less than our pensioner citizens, regardless of how much Alan Jones claims otherwise.

[Waewick]

Our laws prevent them from doing so until their immigration status is settled.

So our laws say they can be released into the Australian community, with no documents to prove who they are or where they come from, yet our laws not only prohibit them from getting a job but obligate our federal government to pay them significantly more money compared to our pensioner citizens, on a fortnightly basis?

No, they're paid significantly less than our pensioner citizens, regardless of how much Alan Jones claims otherwise.

Alan jones is a disgrace.

Id love to see Australia change tact with migrants but it won't.

SA should take them on board to work and grow communities.

[Dog]

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[claybro]

Sorry Dog, you miss public sentiment....One wonders what government debt would be had the former goevernment continued on its merry way.... Also with regards to boat people....ditto. No credibility on either.

further...the educated debate should not be on keeping a list of the current governments broken promises..rather if ever increasing debt and illegal immigrants are good. or bad for Australia as a whole. Most beleive on those points, the former government has NO credibility, and the current government is still "jury to decide"