ONH: Adelaide Airport Hotel | 37m | 9lvls | Hotel

[Wayno]

Tyler_Durden and Wayno, I too was initially against it. (Omicron, Howie and others can roll their eyes here.)
I didn't believe that Adelaide has many transit passengers, and I was concerned that it would take people away from the city. But in fact there is an increasing volume of transit passengers: people who live in Perth and take connecting flights to mines, Mining CEOs from Sydney and Melbourne, that sort of thing. The hotel would not detract in any significant way from the city, it would just help those people not to have to take a taxi into town at 10pm and then back out at 5am. This is entirely reasonable. Most big airports have hotels, and the development would sit easily with my proposed Airport- City/Bay/Port express trains. If tourists did want to stay there instead of town, they could still access our tourist destinations by fast rail link.
I would probably choose to stay there if I had an early flight, and some rooms would be kept for passengers whose flights were delayed or cancelled.

My main concern is Macquarie Bank (a company that i respect and have had intimate relations with). They own the airport, and will be aiming much higher than just having a few people sleep nearby. International & Domestic business conferences may become a regular ritual at the airport in the not too distant future.

This unfortunately distracts from the Adelaide CBD.

[Omicron]

Tyler_Durden and Wayno, I too was initially against it. (Omicron, Howie and others can roll their eyes here.)
I didn't believe that Adelaide has many transit passengers, and I was concerned that it would take people away from the city. But in fact there is an increasing volume of transit passengers: people who live in Perth and take connecting flights to mines, Mining CEOs from Sydney and Melbourne, that sort of thing. The hotel would not detract in any significant way from the city, it would just help those people not to have to take a taxi into town at 10pm and then back out at 5am. This is entirely reasonable. Most big airports have hotels, and the development would sit easily with my proposed Airport- City/Bay/Port express trains. If tourists did want to stay there instead of town, they could still access our tourist destinations by fast rail link.
I would probably choose to stay there if I had an early flight, and some rooms would be kept for passengers whose flights were delayed or cancelled.

Yes, I'd expect that likely guests of an airport hotel wouldn't have as much impact (in the context of increased foot-traffic and general retail spending) as other guests would upon the CBD if they were staying in a city hotel instead, given the likelihood that they will be spending minimal time in Adelaide to begin with - the whole purpose of an airport hotel is to save time for people leaving on early flights, or flying in on late flights. I wonder, also, how many non-business travellers coming in on late flights spend their first night in an airport hotel before checking into a CBD hotel for the rest of their holiday, or the night before their early-morning flight having spent the week in the CBD?

It's true, though, that there is much less travel time between our airport and the main CBD hotels (or Glenelg, for that matter) than other major cities, but certainly an airport hotel would be more convenient.

My main concern is Macquarie Bank (a company that i respect and have had intimate relations with). They own the airport, and will be aiming much higher than just having a few people sleep nearby. International & Domestic business conferences may become a regular ritual at the airport in the not too distant future.

This unfortunately distracts from the Adelaide CBD.

In a sense, though, it encourages competition within the Adelaide convention market, and enables Adelaide as a whole to bid for more events given the increase in floorspace.

[Wayno]

My main concern is Macquarie Bank (a company that i respect and have had intimate relations with). They own the airport, and will be aiming much higher than just having a few people sleep nearby. International & Domestic business conferences may become a regular ritual at the airport in the not too distant future.

This unfortunately distracts from the Adelaide CBD.

In a sense, though, it encourages competition within the Adelaide convention market, and enables Adelaide as a whole to bid for more events given the increase in floorspace.

I'd much prefer competition to exist by having more conference floorspace in Adelaide CBD. The benefits are many and obvious. Of course Mac Bank will quite rightly have alterior motives...

[Omicron]

My main concern is Macquarie Bank (a company that i respect and have had intimate relations with). They own the airport, and will be aiming much higher than just having a few people sleep nearby. International & Domestic business conferences may become a regular ritual at the airport in the not too distant future.

This unfortunately distracts from the Adelaide CBD.

In a sense, though, it encourages competition within the Adelaide convention market, and enables Adelaide as a whole to bid for more events given the increase in floorspace.

I'd much prefer competition to exist by having more conference floorspace in Adelaide CBD. The benefits are many and obvious. Of course Mac Bank will quite rightly have alterior motives...

Does then the proposal for airport convention facilities motivate the Adelaide Convention Centre to investigate an expansion of its own facilities to see off future competitors? Without proposals such as these, there would never been the motivation for development if there was no competition to spur one-upmanship.

[AtD]

Does then the proposal for airport convention facilities motivate the Adelaide Convention Centre to investigate an expansion of its own facilities to see off future competitors? Without proposals such as these, there would never been the motivation for development if there was no competition to spur one-upmanship.

I don't think it works like that. Demand would be the limiting factor.

[monotonehell]

Tyler_Durden and Wayno, I too was initially against it. (Omicron, Howie and others can roll their eyes here.)
I didn't believe that Adelaide has many transit passengers, and I was concerned that it would take people away from the city. But in fact there is an increasing volume of transit passengers: people who live in Perth and take connecting flights to mines, Mining CEOs from Sydney and Melbourne, that sort of thing. The hotel would not detract in any significant way from the city, it would just help those people not to have to take a taxi into town at 10pm and then back out at 5am. This is entirely reasonable. Most big airports have hotels, and the development would sit easily with my proposed Airport- City/Bay/Port express trains. If tourists did want to stay there instead of town, they could still access our tourist destinations by fast rail link.
I would probably choose to stay there if I had an early flight, and some rooms would be kept for passengers whose flights were delayed or cancelled.

I just hope the building looks better than that render.

And as for the car park, for people who are just seeing off friends and family, a cycle or a bus (train) is a far better option due to cost anyway. Why encourage cars by increasing the size of the park?

Several people have said that, but the fact remains that there's already a few hotels/motels on SDB drive that some transit passengers take advantage of. They might be worried about lost revenue, poor things.

[cleverick]

But if you're a mining big-wig on his (yes, his) way from Sydney to Whyalla via nightstop in Adelaide, you don't want a motel, you want at least a 4* hotel with room service and fluffy towelling.

[bm7500]

I thought this development deserved its own thread now that it has been granted Ministerial Approval.

Because the land is owned by the Commonwealth Adelaide Airport Limited requires approval by The Minister for Transport, Regional Development and Local Government. Where this differs from State Government or Council approval is that the Minister has not approved a particular design but instead, granted approval on the basis that one of the submitted design models is used. The designs are really only a guide as to the final look and feel of the development and as long as AAL and the developers stay within the conditions set down by the Minister, they require no further formal approvals.

MEDIA RELEASE
The Hon Anthony Albanese MP
Minister for Infrastructure, Transport,
Regional Development and Local Government
16 October 2008
AA153/2008

CONDITIONS ON ADELAIDE AIRPORT HOTEL DEVELOPMENT

I have approved a new hotel development at Adelaide Airport, subject to strict adherence to conditions that will ensure the design remains within the parameters of the details submitted by Adelaide Airport Limited.

I have imposed eleven stringent conditions on the project, which include measures to ensure the construction of the hotel has a minimal impact on the environment and operations of the airport.

Because the hotel is to be located close to the terminal, I have placed conditions that will ensure the building will not compromise the safety of aircraft and passengers.

The Rudd Labor Government is determined to ensure State and local governments have enough say in what gets built at our leased federal airports.

During my assessment of the MDP, I asked Adelaide Airport Limited to provide additional detail about the appearance of the building. I also required that the developer share this information with, and seek feedback from, State and local governments.

The proposed hotel is to be built on an existing car park adjacent to nearby car parking and close to major access roads. It will feature up to eight floors accommodating 200 rooms, up to 400 parking spaces; conference rooms, dining facilities and a gymnasium.

Adelaide Airport Limited proposes to tender the development.

Adelaide Airport Limited identified consistent growth in occupancy rates for hotel accommodation in Adelaide. The hotel will fill a need for transient accommodation in South Australia's capital city, and is likely to be used by staff and clients of companies located at the airport, as well as domestic business and regional travellers.

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Media Contacts
Jeff Singleton ( Mr Albanese's Office ) 0410 476 890
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The conditions of approval and more details can be found here: http://www.minister.infrastructure.gov. ... chment.htm

Here is one of the concept drawings

[AG]

Now comes the challenge of securing financing for the project.

[Professor]

AAL have the funds. The airport is profitable and every time you park there, grab a taxi, take off or land ther, you pay them a charge.

Will be a good development for the airport and for adelaide. I just wish the new multi-story car park would also get moving. The place gets really busy some days.

[cruel_world00]

AAL have the funds. The airport is profitable and every time you park there, grab a taxi, take off or land ther, you pay them a charge.

Will be a good development for the airport and for adelaide. I just wish the new multi-story car park would also get moving. The place gets really busy some days.

Whereabouts is that going to be?

And what is happening to the old terminal?

[Düsseldorfer]

AAL have the funds. The airport is profitable and every time you park there, grab a taxi, take off or land ther, you pay them a charge.

Will be a good development for the airport and for adelaide. I just wish the new multi-story car park would also get moving. The place gets really busy some days.

This Airport will become a lot more impressive once this hotel is built, plus the multi-story carparks, this hotel also looks waaaay bigger than the previous proposal which looked like it would just take up a small space on one of the carparks, but i much prefer this new design

wasn't this the original proposed hotel?

[bm7500]

The above designs are only really concepts as the final design has not yet been decided on. Reading through the submission there is also a chance that AAL may go with what they are calling a 'Linear design' which im guessing will have less height and more bulk. Either way they are restricted to a 37m heigh development to reduce interference from airport radar systems and ensure that the view from the yet to be built control tower will be uncompromised.

The development is said to be worth about 20mil but it will lead to a further 80mil of infrastructure works which will eventually include a new multi-deck car park.

[bm7500]

AAL have the funds. The airport is profitable and every time you park there, grab a taxi, take off or land ther, you pay them a charge.

Will be a good development for the airport and for adelaide. I just wish the new multi-story car park would also get moving. The place gets really busy some days.

Whereabouts is that going to be?

And what is happening to the old terminal?

This gives you an idea as to the location



The old domestic terminal may be turned into a Fly In Fly Out (FIFO) base for airlines that predominatly operate mining charter flights. such as Alliance & National Jet. The old international terminal will soon be demolished to make way for more aircraft parking and aerobridges.

[Professor]

Article on this week's Adelaide Review with the GM of the airport explaining their Master plan. It includes the 2 additional airbridges, the 2000 car multi-level carpark and the hotel as well as some other works. Mention of a new restaurant near teh entrance and (hopefuully!!!) a new home for the lovely Vickers Vimy that has so much history and is hidden away now. Plus demolising teh old terminal and maybe using that area for charter / mining flights.

Should be a lot better. The airport carpark has been full this week and really hard to find a park. Also, the way that traffic is held up for people crossing the road into the airport entrance is pretty frustrating for everyone, so being able to enter the terminal at the departures level will be much better.

Bring it on, I say.