News & Discussion: National Broadband Network

[Howie]

Mine didn't make the cut either.

Good to see nbnco are coming out with more information, the silence was deafening.

[Ben]

I saw that list on AdelaideNow too Wayno but don't know how accurate it is. forexample both my home and work suburbs Clovelly Park and Bedford Park are included in the AdelaideNow list but are not on the NBN list...

[Wayno]

I saw that list on AdelaideNow too Wayno but don't know how accurate it is. forexample both my home and work suburbs Clovelly Park and Bedford Park are included in the AdelaideNow list but are not on the NBN list...

bugger. silly me for relying on AdelaideNow copy/paste skills. i'll delete my prev post.

Here's a list direct from NBN Co website:
Aldinga Beach, Sellicks Beach, Port Willunga, Ardrossan, Tiddy Widdy Beach, Bordertown, Birdwood, Balaklava, Burra, Crystal Brook, Clare, Cleve, Cowell, Coromandel Valley, Craigburn Farm, Daw Park, Eden Hills, Park Holme, Panorama, Pasadena, St Marys, Belair,Ascot Park, Torrens Park, Glenalta, Blackwood, Clapham, Melrose Park, Marion, Hawthorndene, Mitchell Park, Lower Mitcham,L ynton, Clovelly Park, Colonel Light Gardens, Edwardstown, Bedford Park, Bellevue Heights, Glandore, South Plympton, North Plympton, Forestville, Plympton, Plympton Park, Keswick, Kurralta Park, Marleston, Netley, Ashford, Black Forest, Clarence Gardens, Clarence Park, Cumberland Park, Edwardstown, Everard Park, Elizabeth, Craigmore, Salisbury North, Paralowie, Burton, Hillbank, Elizabeth West, Elizabeth Vale, Elizabeth South, Elizabeth Park, Elizabeth Grove, Elizabeth East, Elizabeth Downs, North Adelaide,Adelaide, Freeling, Gawler Belt, Gawler South, Gawler West,Hewett,Willaston,Evanston Park, Evanston, Evanston Gardens, Gawler, Gawler East, Glenelg South, Somerton Park, Camden Park, Glenelg, Glengowrie, Morphettville, Glenelg East, Novar Gardens, Glenelg North, Clearview, Northfield, Wingfield, Mawson Lakes, Kilburn, Gepps Cross, Walkley Heights, Blair Athol,Pooraka,Para Hills West, Ingle Farm,Enfield, Jamestown, Kapunda, Wallaroo Mines, Jerusalem, New Town, North Beach, Keith, Kingston SE, Pinks Beach, Kimba, Loxton, Macclesfield, Meningie, Port Mannum, Mannum, St Agnes, Vista, Valley View, Tea Tree Gully, Ridgehaven, Redwood Park, Para Vista, Para Hills, Modbury North, Modbury Heights, Modbury, Ingle Farm, Hope Valley, Banksia Park, Highbury, Moonta, Moonta Bay, North Moonta, Nairne, Paechtown, Balhannah, Verdun, Hahndorf, Littlehampton, Mount Barker, Blakiston, Maitland, Swanport,Northern Heights, Murray Bridge, Riverglades, Murray Bridge East, Marryatville, Marden, Rosslyn Park, Auldana, Woodforde, Royston Park, Stepney, Skye, St Morris, St Peters, Stonyfell, Teringie, Toorak Gardens, Tranmere, Trinity Gardens, Tusmore, Wattle Park, Kensington Gardens, Rose Park, Payneham South,Payneham, Norwood, Maylands, Evandale, Dulwich,College Park, Beulah Park, Magill, Burnside, Erindale, Firle, Hazelwood Park, Leabrook, Kensington Park, Kent Town, Kensington, Joslin, Heathpool, Hackney, Greenock, Penrice, Old Noarlunga, Port Noarlunga South, Maslin Beach, Seaford, Seaford Meadows, Seaford Rise, McLaren Vale,Tatachilla,Moana, Port Broughton, Fisherman Bay, Port Pirie South, Risdon Park, Port Pirie, Solomontown, Collinswood, Walkerville, Vale Park, Sefton Park, Prospect, Ovingham, Nailsworth, Medindie Gardens, Medindie, Gilberton, Fitzroy, Enfield, Dudley Park, Broadview, Port Augusta, Hayborough, Port Elliot, Victor Harbor, McCracken, Encounter Bay, Goolwa South, Goolwa Beach, Goolwa North, Peterborough, Quorn, Roxby Downs, Happy Valley, Old Reynella, Hallett Cove, Lonsdale, Marino, Reynella, Woodcroft, Reynella East, Sheidow Park, Trott Park, Riverton, Saddleworth, Strathalbyn, Bridgewater, Upper Sturt, Aldgate, Stirling, Crafers West, Crafers, Mylor, Longwood, Piccadilly, Mount George, Heathfield, Tailem Bend, Two Wells, Thebarton, Lockleys, Hindmarsh, Hilton, Flinders Park, West Richmond, West Hindmarsh, Welland, Underdale, Torrensville, Mile End South, Richmond, Allenby Gardens, Brooklyn Park, Cowandilla,Mile End, Kidman Park, Whyalla Norrie, Whyalla Playford, Whyalla Stuart, Whyalla, Whyalla Jenkins, Woomera

[rhino]

Latest NBN rollout in southern suburbs
Ken McGregor in Canberra From: The Advertiser April 19, 2012 11:00PM

FURTHER construction of the Federal Government's high-speed National Broadband Network begins today in Adelaide's southern suburbs.

Work starts at Port Willunga, Aldinga, Aldinga Beach and McLaren Vale, and follows construction already underway at Stirling, Crafers, and suburbs around Modbury and Prospect, and last year's roll-out in Willunga.

Willunga was one of five trial sites throughout Australia last year, and the southern suburbs will be the first to get work on the high-speed network since Prime Minister Julia Gillard last month announced a major roll-out to more than 327,300 premises within the next three years, and 3.5 million premises nationally.

Member for Kingston Amanda Rishworth said she was delighted people in her electorate now would have the chance to get ahead of the curve.

"We are making real progress rolling out the National Broadband Network," she said.

"Businesses are already using the NBN to develop new and efficient ways of doing things and small businesses are accessing services that previously only big corporations could afford."

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced construction of the fibre-optic cable section of the $35.9 billion network will be under way or completed in areas containing 3.5 million homes and businesses in 1500 towns and suburbs across Australia by June 2015.

It further hopes to deliver high-speed fibre cable broadband services to 93 per cent of homes, schools and businesses by 2021.

The Opposition claims Ms Gillard's promises are a mirage that will allow Labor to go to a third election with the NBN as one of their key agendas without delivering substantial works.

[ParadisoShlee]

I don't know why they're not pushing the Adelaide CBD and regional areas equally... Is anyone aware of the NBNCOs rollout agreements?

I was told some of the conditions required the NBN to target the country/areas with limited access to existing DSL subscriptions but was there any public record of them skipping the Adelaide CBD?

http://www.nbnco.com.au/rollout/rollout ... dress=5000

[Archer]

I would hard call being included in the 3 year roll out plan "skipping" the Adelaide CBD. That indicates that construction will start for that area within 3 years. Given it's a 10 year rollout for the country, it's not bad really. The bottom line is that they couldn't build out everywhere at the same time, the build has to be staged.

There were political agreements between the independants and the Labour government to prioritise some country/rural areas in the roll out in order for the independants to support Labour, allowing them to form government. So that part is a political thing, not a decision made by NBN Co.

[Waewick]

living in a state safe liberal seat which doesn't even have a date of work commencing....we know it was a Labor and Independents agreement

[Nort]

living in a state safe liberal seat which doesn't even have a date of work commencing....we know it was a Labor and Independents agreement

There was a list I saw a few months ago showing the national breakdown of seats, who holds them, and when NBN rollout was expected. Overall it was very well balanced.

[Wayno]

I've been a bit worried about the delays and cost overruns with the NBN rollout, but reading this loooooooong article reinforces the benefit. It's a true exercise in nation building. Grab a beer or wine, or coffee - whatever your vice might be, sit for 30 minutes and read it through. An excellent article.

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articl ... 695094.htm

Don't focus on labor vs liberal. Just compare the choices being presented.

[Maximus]

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that I don't think that article is particularly well written at all. A jumble of information presented in only a vague semblance of order, and in many parts it says more or less the same thing many times, just in slightly different ways. A bit like one of those infomercials for the magic bullet/ab-circle pro/miracle bra (urgh, how do I even know those things exist?!). And, even though the author specifically states he wants to "avoid politics", there's a strong political stench to my nose.

Buuuuuuuut... Yes, it's a fantastic collection of information. And, yes, I agree it's a true nation-building project that will pay for itself many times over. One of those cases where it's worth 'splurging', and also a very rare instance of politicians looking beyond the three-year election cycle.

[claybro]

And, even though the author specifically states he wants to "avoid politics", there's a strong political stench to my nose.

I know Wayno wants us to avoid the political comparisons, but the only way this article could have been more political is if it was written by Gillard and Swan themselves. It completely glosses over the overkill factor of having every single home connected (high speed porn for everyone).

[metro]

It completely glosses over the overkill factor of having every single home connected (high speed porn for everyone).

I thought the point of the NBN and most other infrastructure projects is to build it for the future. Like imagine building a freeway for $76m that only goes one-way because that's all the people really need at the time, and it was cheaper and quicker to build, then 20 years later when it needs to be widened so it goes both ways, costs more than $500m.

[claybro]

It completely glosses over the overkill factor of having every single home connected (high speed porn for everyone).

I thought the point of the NBN and most other infrastructure projects is to build it for the future. Like imagine building a freeway for $76m that only goes one-way because that's all the people really need at the time, and it was cheaper and quicker to build, then 20 years later when it needs to be widened so it goes both ways, costs more than $500m.

Correct. But I guess instead of building a 2 way freeway from the outset, we are building an 20 lane tunnel with on ramps for every street, which will all require replacement in 30 years. This is probably a better comparison of the current NBN.

[monotonehell]

The coalition's offering sounds like a red herring. All they're suggesting is to retain the copper network (which is close to being decommissioned due to a decade of near zero maintenance) and add a few extra wide bandwidth fibre to the node links. A key point of it is that they expect Telstra to hand over the copper infrastructure for free. Instead offering Telstra a copper maintenance contract (even though Telstra has sacked all but a few of their copper network maintenance techs - they don't have the know how any more).

It's not even close to future proof, the speeds of fiber fed copper drop off quickly and would be around the same as most people enjoy now. And it would cost about the same up until 2019, then cost even more when we need to start again to replace all the copper. Where as the NBN plan attempts to do the job correctly by 2021.

Seeing that the Liberal previous plan was no NBN, this sounds like the same plan except with an expensive price tag.

Correct. But I guess instead of building a 2 way freeway from the outset, we are building an 20 lane tunnel with on ramps for every street, which will all require replacement in 30 years. This is probably a better comparison of the current NBN.

I think that's a major overstatement. Considering the traffic we expect to move onto the Internet in the near future.

[Shahkar]

Uh, no. Home to home connection is how fibre optic should be done. End of. No use of laying fibre then. Don't care if it's Labor or Coalition. That is how it should be done.