[COM] Adelaide Oval Redevelopment

[Prince George]

So what are we going to do if this doesn't go ahead?

I, for one, am going to throw my considerable political heft behind supporting the cause of our struggling Parlour Games sector. I will start a campaign to build world-class facilities for elite athletes to compete in games of tiddly-winks, scattegories, and charades. It will be a futuristic living room, possibly with a retractable roof, with seating for something between 20 and 20,000 people (depending on funding).

[monotonehell]

So what are we going to do if this doesn't go ahead?

I, for one, am going to throw my considerable political heft behind supporting the cause of our struggling Parlour Games sector. I will start a campaign to build world-class facilities for elite athletes to compete in games of tiddly-winks, scattegories, and charades. It will be a futuristic living room, possibly with a retractable roof, with seating for something between 20 and 20,000 people (depending on funding).

Oh I completely disagree, you should not ignore the heritage of the 1970's living room!

[Stubbo]

So what are we going to do if this doesn't go ahead?

I, for one, am going to throw my considerable political heft behind supporting the cause of our struggling Parlour Games sector. I will start a campaign to build world-class facilities for elite athletes to compete in games of tiddly-winks, scattegories, and charades. It will be a futuristic living room, possibly with a retractable roof, with seating for something between 20 and 20,000 people (depending on funding).

Oh I completely disagree, you should not ignore the heritage of the 1970's living room!

What I like most about your proposition is that there will be a state of the art freeway servicing your Parlour Games Arena that is reversable, allowing people to travel to the arena prior to the start of events, and travel away afterwards.... This, along with the demountable features that only take a matter of months to erect and dismantle should elevate it to world class status, and only 25k per seat....

Just be careful that it is within the height restrictions for that area...

[stumpjumper]

Thanks, Your Highness - I've revised my rhetoric. The most useful comparative figure is cost per seat. Meadowlands (the entire facility) cost about AUD23,500 while Adelaide at 45,000 seats and AUD800 mill is $17,700 per seat.

[Hooligan]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 5877197735

DETAILED designs for the proposed Adelaide Oval redevelopment are expected to be publicly released within days amid growing scepticism over the project's future.

The Advertiser can reveal the Stadium Management Authority plans to release latest designs for the rebuild next week and confirm details of the announcement in days.

It is understood the SMA neared release of the designs a fortnight ago but was forced back to the drawing board when the State Government announced an extra $85 million in funding on top of the $450 million promised prior to the state election.

The troubled project still needs backing from the SACA and SANFL before the $535 million in government support is unlocked. They have been given until August 31 to reach agreement.

The Adelaide Crows have repeatedly voiced fears they will be short-changed by a move from AAMI Stadium at West Lakes.

Opposition treasury spokesman Iain Evans yesterday called for immediate release of the plans and demanded Premier Mike Rann explain the delay.

Mr Evans said members of the AFL and Adelaide City Council had publicly indicated they had seen plans for the stadium.

"South Australian taxpayers are investing over $535 million into the Adelaide Oval upgrade and associated works - taxpayers have a right to see the plans," Mr Evans said.

A government spokeswoman said the delay had been attributed to the SMA's "desire to have properly-presented colour design plans based on the revised costs".

Mr Rann is overseas on a two-week trip meeting political and business leaders in the US and UK.

Treasurer Kevin Foley remains under fire after revealing he misled Parliament on when he knew a cost blowout was likely.

Mr Foley claims he forgot about a pre-election meeting with SANFL chief Leigh Whicker where he was warned $450m pledged by the Government was unlikely to be enough.

[flavze]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 5877197735

DETAILED designs for the proposed Adelaide Oval redevelopment are expected to be publicly released within days amid growing scepticism over the project's future.

The Advertiser can reveal the Stadium Management Authority plans to release latest designs for the rebuild next week and confirm details of the announcement in days.

sweet, the arguments/duscussions will lift a notch or two from then on!

[ricecrackers]

so a redesign due to an $85 million difference can be done in a couple of weeks?

i've worked on multi million dollar projects where such a redesign would take considerably more than that...but this is a half billion dollar project and they think they can do a total redesign in a couple of weeks

remember this is our taxpayers money they're fiddling around with here

[stumpjumper]

Here's the latest from Foley's office (8am, June 11 2010):

Australia is not in the running for the 2018 World Cup.
$535 million will be supplied to AOSMA by SA govt.
Whether or not Australia gets the WC in 2022 will make no difference to either the design of the work or the construction timeline.

[Xaragmata]

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[Pants]

Great shots. It's really taking shape. Does anyone know how they're going against programme?

[ricecrackers]

Here's the latest from Foley's office (8am, June 11 2010):

Australia is not in the running for the 2018 World Cup.
$535 million will be supplied to AOSMA by SA govt.
Whether or not Australia gets the WC in 2022 will make no difference to either the design of the work or the construction timeline.

are you sure?
the 2022 bid will also be decided in December
i think'd it be prudent to at least wait until then

[rev]

Australia has pulled it's bid for the 2018 World Cup.
There is no point in bidding for 2018, when FIFA has publicly stated 2018 will go to Europe. And England is the favourite there.
Our bid is now going to concentrate on the 2022 cup, which we allegedly have quite a bit of support from FIFA to actually win.
The other country which could out do us is Qatar I believe, but the extreme heat and security concerns in the Middle East will likely(hopefully) work to our advantage.

FFA officials are in South Africa at the moment, including Frank Lowy, so you would think they have had some discussions with FIFA's heirarchy which is also in attendance, and thus influenced their decision to concentrate for 2022.

[Norman]

Great shots, thanks mate.

[Pants]

Apparently the decision was based on those discussions and support from European delegates for 2022.

I can understand the lure of Qatar, but when it comes down to it, in addition to heat issues, it has a population of less than 1 million, which even if it quadruples by 2022, won't be enough and it isn't seen as a nation that the whole world would want to visit to make up for that population shortfall. South Africa might be in a similar position as a tourist destination for families, but it has 48 million people (many of whom can't afford World Cup tickets, admittedly).

Assuming FIFA don't want to go back to the USA, Japan or South Korea so quickly, I'd say we're a good chance for 2022 if we play the game right, which, with one of the world's great businessmen at the helm, we seem to be doing so far.

Meanwhile, back at the thread, what this would mean for Adelaide Oval is unclear but if we did get the nod as hosts, Adelaide would need a stadium. So, potentially, we've only got 12 more years of political wrangling and the masses being whipped into a frenzy about the fact that building stuff usually costs more than you think it will. Good times.

[ricecrackers]

there are no such security concerns in Qatar...its safer than England or Spain or Russia...one of which will get the 2018 cup most likely

the other aspect to Qatar is its proximity to many other nations. it doesnt matter that there are only ~1 million living there..the travelling support will be larger than South Africa

and they will be building indoor stadiums, so heat isnt an issue either.

Blatter wants a WC in the Middle East, and like South Africa is to Africa, Qatar is perhaps the regions best hope.

naive Aussies would best not dismiss their claims as a serious contender for 2022. they already have done a lot of groundwork and have quite a bit of political clout behind them, while Australia is still playing catch up