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monotonehell wrote: *blows OBahn heralding trumpet*

Interesting, not only does the Obahn have a dance it also has a heralding trumpet.

what's next? complimentary Obahn steak knives?

Cruise wrote:what's next? complimentary Obahn steak knives?

Only if you pay by credit card.

Shuz wrote:

Cruise wrote:Come on, seriously using that logic the tram line on Jetty Road and the tram line on King William Street south should be ripped up immediately due to the fact they impede the private car.

I hope you realise very soon that private transport is fast becoming a very unreliable, unaffordable and inefficient method of transport. We simply cannot continue to live dependantly on the motor vechicle and associated freeway networks, for they do nothing more than create more conjestion, chaos and contribute CO2 at alarming rates. My only favourable opinion to the usage of the car is when people carpool.

I can sympathise with your position, because it would be silly to say that driving and owning car is not a luxury, for they offer things that PT cannot. However, in this day and age, I would hope that people understand the importance of giving up what is relatively a minor luxury in terms of the bigger picture, and do the world some good by taking alternative means of transport.

Well said ShuZ. I have beeen saying this for some time now. Grand opportunity for new tramlines and keeping the city moving. You would not believe it though with all the new road works - especially in Brisbane. BUT....they are proposing a tram system for the 4th time now.

ADELAIDE - CITY ON THE MOVE

Shuz wrote:

Cruise wrote:Come on, seriously using that logic the tram line on Jetty Road and the tram line on King William Street south should be ripped up immediately due to the fact they impede the private car.

I hope you realise very soon that private transport is fast becoming a very unreliable, unaffordable and inefficient method of transport. We simply cannot continue to live dependantly on the motor vechicle and associated freeway networks, for they do nothing more than create more conjestion, chaos and contribute CO2 at alarming rates. My only favourable opinion to the usage of the car is when people carpool.

I can sympathise with your position, because it would be silly to say that driving and owning car is not a luxury, for they offer things that PT cannot. However, in this day and age, I would hope that people understand the importance of giving up what is relatively a minor luxury in terms of the bigger picture, and do the world some good by taking alternative means of transport.

Well said ShuZ. I have beeen saying this for some time now. Grand opportunity for new tramlines and keeping the city moving. You would not believe it though with all the new road works - especially in Brisbane. BUT....they are proposing a tram system for the 4th time now.

ADELAIDE - CITY ON THE MOVE

monotonehell wrote: Trams should be short runs with many stops, interfacing with the urban mesh (as one of our members is apt to say).

That's urban fabric dammit.

urban wrote:

monotonehell wrote: Trams should be short runs with many stops, interfacing with the urban mesh (as one of our members is apt to say).

That's urban fabric dammit.

Well make up your mind!

maybe you should all agree to stop looking at the world like its a page of a textbook?

monotonehell wrote:

urban wrote:

monotonehell wrote: Trams should be short runs with many stops, interfacing with the urban mesh (as one of our members is apt to say).

That's urban fabric dammit.

Well make up your mind!

It is actually Urban Fabric, seeing I just read about Social Fabric.

Norman wrote:It is actually Urban Fabric, seeing I just read about Social Fabric.

there's no 'right term' - it's a metaphor

Shuz wrote:

Cruise wrote:Come on, seriously using that logic the tram line on Jetty Road and the tram line on King William Street south should be ripped up immediately due to the fact they impede the private car.

I hope you realise very soon that private transport is fast becoming a very unreliable, unaffordable and inefficient method of transport. We simply cannot continue to live dependantly on the motor vechicle and associated freeway networks, for they do nothing more than create more conjestion, chaos and contribute CO2 at alarming rates. My only favourable opinion to the usage of the car is when people carpool.

I can sympathise with your position, because it would be silly to say that driving and owning car is not a luxury, for they offer things that PT cannot. However, in this day and age, I would hope that people understand the importance of giving up what is relatively a minor luxury in terms of the bigger picture, and do the world some good by taking alternative means of transport.

I ask around a lot about public transport and people who drive there cars to university, work or through the city are saying they would rather wait in congested traffic in comfort and be in their own car. They just do not like the atmosphere of public transport. How different is it really? I mean seriously, you are not driving so you can read, talk with other commuters, write something i dunno but during peak you may have to encounter standing on occasions... mostly all the time with me.

I say most car commuters drive cars because:
more comfort
avoid the rush of standing on the bus in peak
buses may not go directly to destination desired
destination may involve interchanging on public transport

I say bring in incentives to decrease car usage by increasing car rego costs, increase car parking in the city, remove all free parking around the parklands in the city

i say keep tramlines in the city and improve current bus services by putting on more services, more go zones, more articulated busses on peak hours on all services. just some ideas. i am not great at this just wanted to start talking for once!

i am also very strong for giving buses the righter way over cars. i am so angry at one commuter driving a 4 seated car and they are the only one driving the car. what a waste of 3 people! Bus lanes should be on all major city streets that are operational in peak.

One other factor of high car usage is due to LAZINESS.
Infact theres quite a lot of middle class suburbanites with their double garages out there, who can not fathom or even comprehend leaving their property other than in a car

One of the things I will be doing soon is distributing surveys about PT usage, and what would make people use PT more often. I'm really interested to see if people prefer higher frequencies or more destinations from their home. Might be really interesting.

norman i am very interested in this also as i ask around a lot, especially to the loud commuters in the early hours of the morning

Adamo wrote:[...]

I say bring in incentives to decrease car usage by increasing car rego costs, increase car parking in the city, remove all free parking around the parklands in the city

Just for driving to the city? What about when you need the car to drive in the suburbs or in the country and interstate, are you still going to increase the rego? Higher parking fees and no free parking around parklands may stop individuals and families coming to the city completely. They may take their business elsewhere. There are also other consequences.

i say keep tramlines in the city and improve current bus services by putting on more services, more go zones, more articulated busses on peak hours on all services. just some ideas. i am not great at this just wanted to start talking for once!

i am also very strong for giving buses the righter way over cars. i am so angry at one commuter driving a 4 seated car and they are the only one driving the car. what a waste of 3 people! Bus lanes should be on all major city streets that are operational in peak.

Sure, but unfortunately you can't stop all people from driving on their own, plus do you actually know where they are driving to and if they need the car during the day? Plenty of questions have to be answered before you take drastic action.

Cheers

According to reports on the radio this morning, heavy rain combined with falling leaves caused braking issues on Adelaide's North Tce this morning. While there were leaves on the road and rails, the amount didn't seem enough to cause difficulties.

Trams on the Glenelg line were terminating at Victoria Square when I went to town for a look.

Three Flexitys, already on North Tce, were parked outside the train station awaiting news on their plight.





Bill