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[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:01 pm
by Omicron
skyliner wrote:Another option is to make the new hospital 20 - 40 stories and reduce it's footprint - then they could both feel happier. WHY does it have to be so low and sprawling? It takes up so much land it seems rediculous. Inner city land should be capitalising on the plot ratios suitable to a city. Return the rest to parks.
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NO NO NO. That's a RUBBISH idea. You are a STUPID person for suggesting any sort of changes to this BEAUTIFUL hospital that we have proposed. We are BETTER than you, which is why you are supposed to be NODDING IN AGREEMENT with our plans, and why we did not bother to ask for your SILLY views which are POORLY EDUCATED and NOT WORTH TOSH. I didn't see anyone adding boxes on their election papers labelled 'MR. SKYLINER' and then ticking them, so SHUT YOUR TRAP and leave the planning and design to ELECTED SUPER AWESOME PEOPLE LIKE US. NO MORE OPINIONS for you.
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:10 pm
by skyliner
Boo hoo! You've cut me up! Go for it Omi! Put it somewhere else all together OMI and as many have suggested, make it an entertainment/sports precinct.
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[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:15 pm
by monotonehell
skyliner wrote:Another option is to make the new hospital 20 - 40 stories and reduce it's footprint - then they could both feel happier. WHY does it have to be so low and sprawling? It takes up so much land it seems rediculous. Inner city land should be capitalising on the plot ratios suitable to a city. Return the rest to parks.
It's not sprawling, as far as hospital plans go it's a very good design (from what I've seen). Vertical hospitals don't work well. It's taking up less than half the railyards site leaving the rest for the reduced railline and the Torrens Lake park (it's good to have a nice park next to a hospital to help recovery and rehabilitation of patients. It's all very good.
So if you're going to criticise it, criticise it for the right reasons. That land is very good for a hospital. Too good, it could be put to a better civic use.
Great design,
wrong location.
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:51 pm
by Will
High rise hospitals are not a good idea. In case of emergencies, it would be very difficult to evacuate people stuck in beds from a skyscraper.
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:11 pm
by Ho Really
monotonehell wrote:...So if you're going to criticise it, criticise it for the right reasons. That land is very good for a hospital. Too good, it could be put to a better civic use.
Great design, wrong location.
Agreed!
Cheers
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 11:58 pm
by adam73837
The problem with our current state government is that they are stubborn. If Mike Rann, (voters allowing, will stay Premier until 2018. My 65th Birthday) wants to stay in office, he really should try and include the public in projects that are going to have a long term effect on the city. The first time he screwed up with the hospital was when he named it after her excellency Majorie Jackson-Nelson (who BTW stopped being governor just a few months after the hospital was first brought up). The second time that he screwed up was when he ignored all the publicism being made about building an entertainment precinct on the railway yards site. The third time he screwed up was when he decided to go right ahead with the plans despite what had been said by the public about its opinion on the hospital's location.
Either he gets a bionic ear (or at least tries to listen to public opinion) OR he hands his position over to a more suitable leader within his government OR he goes right ahead with the hospital on the current site, despite obvious public opposition, only to find himself in the unemployment office during late 2010.
WAKE UP MIKEY!!!!!
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:23 am
by monotonehell
adam73837 wrote:...The first time he screwed up with the hospital was when he named it after her excellency Majorie Jackson-Nelson (who BTW stopped being governor just a few months after the hospital was first brought up)...
What's in a name? Why are people so upset about the least important thing about this proposal?
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:37 am
by adam73837
Point taken, but it's a bit of an insult to all the doctors, etc who are the
true heroes behind all the life-saving operations, etc,
not an old woman who donated a whole lot of money to charity. Come on, if anyone else had the kind of money that she's received over the course of her life,
they'd be donating a whole heap as well. But if it's
so important that she is mentioned, name a ward or something after her, not the entire building, for goodness sake!
And that's my
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:53 am
by monotonehell
adam73837 wrote:Point taken, but it's a bit of an insult to all the doctors, etc who are the
true heroes behind all the life-saving operations, etc,
not an old woman who donated a whole lot of money to charity. Come on, if anyone else had the kind of money that she's received over the course of her life,
they'd be donating a whole heap as well. But if it's
so important that she is mentioned, name a ward or something after her, not the entire building, for goodness sake!
And that's my
She was our Governor... you know the queen's agent in SA.
Let's see what the other hospitals are named after:
RAH - the queen
QEH - the queen
I see a pattern
Lyell McEwin - Minister of Health
We don't have a great track record of naming hospitals. But who cares! Build it! (maybe not on the railyards though
)
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:53 am
by Ho Really
I think a name should come from those who work at the hospital everyday. They'll probably come up with someone (or something) decent.
Cheers
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:19 am
by skyliner
Omicron wrote:skyliner wrote:Another option is to make the new hospital 20 - 40 stories and reduce it's footprint - then they could both feel happier. WHY does it have to be so low and sprawling? It takes up so much land it seems rediculous. Inner city land should be capitalising on the plot ratios suitable to a city. Return the rest to parks.
ADELAIDE - TOWARDS A GREATER CITY SKYLINE
NO NO NO. That's a RUBBISH idea. You are a STUPID person for suggesting any sort of changes to this BEAUTIFUL hospital that we have proposed. We are BETTER than you, which is why you are supposed to be NODDING IN AGREEMENT with our plans, and why we did not bother to ask for your SILLY views which are POORLY EDUCATED and NOT WORTH TOSH. I didn't see anyone adding boxes on their election papers labelled 'MR. SKYLINER' and then ticking them, so SHUT YOUR TRAP and leave the planning and design to ELECTED SUPER AWESOME PEOPLE LIKE US. NO MORE OPINIONS for you.
OK omi. I'd better explain myself. I don't want to misunderstand you as you have may have appeared to with me. Anyway, I have a great respect for many ideas you have spoken by the way. In the end it's all about our great city and state.
First, I have not seen floor plans of the hospital - just a render from a distance out to the NW.Looked very large - maybe parallax error. Hence the comment about size. I don't know of any plans to see here but could have missed them.
Second, That above suggestion was put if the two parties and councillor etc could not agree - a compromise on their ideas. I don't know of any hospitals 20 - 40 levels high and was having a go at them. I would not baulk at 10 or so on the Keswick site. (I drove past that every day in Adelaide and don't recall it as a really large site).
Third, they are still building hospitals up to around 10 floors high in Brisbane - capital of the SMART state mind you!
Fourth - what I think on this topiv is very similar to what most people have said through the thread.
As for the name - could do better - Eg The Mike Rann Hospital
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[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:43 am
by Düsseldorfer
Maybe I and about a million others will probably end up calling it that anyway :p
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:05 pm
by Ho Really
Düsseldorfer wrote:
Maybe I and about a million others will probably end up calling it that anyway :p
If it is built and he's still the Premier, he'll be at the unveiling, and guess who's name will go on the open ceremony plaque?
Cheers
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:08 pm
by monotonehell
Ho Really wrote:If it is built and he's still the Premier, he'll be at the unveiling, and guess who's name will go on the open ceremony plaque?
Let the baby have his bottle, just as long as the public gets a decent hospital upgrade.
[COM] Re: #Proposed: Marjorie Jackson Nelson Hospital - $1.7b
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 4:51 pm
by Cruise
Ho Really wrote:Düsseldorfer wrote:
Maybe I and about a million others will probably end up calling it that anyway :p
If it is built and he's still the Premier, he'll be at the unveiling, and guess who's name will go on the open ceremony plaque?
Cheers
The queen (or by then the president
) should unveil it