Re: News & Discussion: Trams
Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:35 am
Those poles are shocking, this is not a third world country, there is no excuse for the lack of fore thinking here.
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Yep. Have to agree.
Ok well, if they are wrong, and something happens, or when the advertiser pick up the story, feel free to email them your correspondence.rubberman wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 6:58 amAssuming you are serious.
The poles look shit. So there's likely at some point to be shit from the likes of the Advertiser/Indaily. People raising concerns allows DPTI time to prepare answers at their own pace. If and when it gets to the Advertiser, the Minister will want DPTI's answer overnight.
Next, given that the poles are waaay far bent than any known standard allows, it does raise the possibility that there's a structural issue. DPTI says it's all good. However, if something bad does happen, DPTI will have been warned, and cannot expect that people won't tell the Coroner they were warned.
As for being professionals paid to design the project, it seems they are actually heavy rail types designing a tramway as if it were heavy rail. Doable, but expensive and inflexible. I was at the recommissioning of the curve on North Terrace in January. As the first trams went round the curve, they had the tram inch round, and all eyes were glued on the wheels and rails to make sure it was safe. Not one pair of eyes did I see looking at the pantograph on the overhead during the process. Says the lot really.
As per the above I sent an email reply to DPTI a few days ago, asking them if adjusting the overhead wire tensions to achieve uniform pole deviation would be possible or not.Bob wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 6:31 amIf they could adjust the tension of the overhead support wires so that the deviation on each pole was consistent, it would likely look OK.
As it is right now, we have random deviations which results in a scenario of one pole being vertical, next pole leaning half a metre inwards and slightly sideways, the next pole leaning less, the next pole somewhat vertical but leaning slightly sideways etc. Inconsistency in deviation.
If the poles are strong enough as per DPTI’s response, then the remaining issue is aesthetics, so if adjusting to consistent deviation could be done, that would resolve the issue I think. I have written back to DPI asking them if this is possible.
But they cannot be left as is , it is a dogs breakfast in certain patches.
The Government should be charging the contractor for every day they are late, nearly 6 months late is unacceptableadelaide transport wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 11:20 amJust been announced by the Transport Minister that trams will not begin operating along the new North Terrace extension till mid-July.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 76ec5bdcedAdelaide tram works: SA commuters forced to wait months to use trams to east end
SOUTH Australians will be forced to wait until at least July to hop on a tram to Adelaide’s east end.
Transport Minister Stephan Knoll said a series of “technical issues” had led to the project missing another deadline.
“The best advice when I first came into this job was that by the start of June we would see trams operational, that has blown out now in this testing phase,” he said.
“We’ve actually found a series of minor electrical faults that need to be dealt with before the tram becomes operational.”
The Government now hopes trams will cross King William St for the first time in July, after the issues are fixed and testing and mandatory driver training completed.
Mr Knoll said there would be a review into why the $80 million tram extension project had taken so long to be completed.
He said he would be meeting the project’s contractors to “sit down and review where things went wrong with this project”, with an outcome expected in the coming months.
“South Australians have a right to know how their money has been spent and why this project has been pushed back by months,” he said.
”It’s absolutely unacceptable that it’s going to take around 12 months to lay one kilometre of tram tack and get passenger services up and running.”
Mr Knoll denied any personnel changes in the Department of Transport, Planning and Infrastructure had contributed to the delay.
DPTI chief executive Michael Deegan was sacked by Premier Steven Marshall shortly after the March state election.
“Michael Deegan was the chief executive when the project was supposed to be completed in March. Unless Michael Deegan was going to click his fingers the day after he got sacked, the reality is he was in charge of this project over its life,” he said.
“The staffing in DPTI has not contributed one iota to this project being delayed.”
Mr Knoll said he had received no feedback that the contractors had been improperly stringing out the project, but pointed to new laws that would penalise construction companies for having traffic restrictions in place for longer than they needed to be.
I thought the project was going ok till a month before the election. After that the wheels well and truly fell off.SouthAussie94 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 12:42 pmhttp://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 76ec5bdcedAdelaide tram works: SA commuters forced to wait months to use trams to east end
SOUTH Australians will be forced to wait until at least July to hop on a tram to Adelaide’s east end.
Transport Minister Stephan Knoll said a series of “technical issues” had led to the project missing another deadline.
“The best advice when I first came into this job was that by the start of June we would see trams operational, that has blown out now in this testing phase,” he said.
“We’ve actually found a series of minor electrical faults that need to be dealt with before the tram becomes operational.”
The Government now hopes trams will cross King William St for the first time in July, after the issues are fixed and testing and mandatory driver training completed.
Mr Knoll said there would be a review into why the $80 million tram extension project had taken so long to be completed.
He said he would be meeting the project’s contractors to “sit down and review where things went wrong with this project”, with an outcome expected in the coming months.
“South Australians have a right to know how their money has been spent and why this project has been pushed back by months,” he said.
”It’s absolutely unacceptable that it’s going to take around 12 months to lay one kilometre of tram tack and get passenger services up and running.”
Mr Knoll denied any personnel changes in the Department of Transport, Planning and Infrastructure had contributed to the delay.
DPTI chief executive Michael Deegan was sacked by Premier Steven Marshall shortly after the March state election.
“Michael Deegan was the chief executive when the project was supposed to be completed in March. Unless Michael Deegan was going to click his fingers the day after he got sacked, the reality is he was in charge of this project over its life,” he said.
“The staffing in DPTI has not contributed one iota to this project being delayed.”
Mr Knoll said he had received no feedback that the contractors had been improperly stringing out the project, but pointed to new laws that would penalise construction companies for having traffic restrictions in place for longer than they needed to be.
The poles bend too much and the concrete cracked because the government insisted the contractors had to cut corners to get it done in time for the election?Transport Minister Stephan Knoll said a series of “technical issues” had led to the project missing another deadline.