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claybro wrote:Great to hear Currie/Grenfell are listed for an upgrade, however Grenfell street should have an underground bus station similar to the one in Brisbane, and the soon to be completed Wellington Street in Perth. Buses are noisy, smelly and cause congestion even amongst themselves. Lines of commuters waiting in the elements along the footpaths is not ideal either. There is plenty of width for a bus portal at the Currie street end and to the east of Hindmarsh Square, still allowing for 2 lanes of thru traffic if desired.

If you were going to have them run underground, why not ditch the eastern portal altogether and run it straight into the O-Bahn project (eliminating the portal in Rymill Park)?

claybro wrote:Great to hear Currie/Grenfell are listed for an upgrade, however Grenfell street should have an underground bus station similar to the one in Brisbane, and the soon to be completed Wellington Street in Perth. Buses are noisy, smelly and cause congestion even amongst themselves. Lines of commuters waiting in the elements along the footpaths is not ideal either. There is plenty of width for a bus portal at the Currie street end and to the east of Hindmarsh Square, still allowing for 2 lanes of thru traffic if desired.

I agree. But dare I say it I feel they may be holding off on such an concept until there are detailed plans for city rail loop, a bus tunnel may impact on those plans.

As I've said before. I'd prefer to see SkyCity build a casino within the the Sir Samuel Way building and expand onto the Hilton Hotel site. The Coles building behind these sites could be bulldozed and an laneway added to act as a buffer between the Central Market and Sir Samual Way building and Hilton site/s.
Expand the Central Market west into China Town and build a new larger China Town on the dead space across Grote Street next to the the Bus Terminal.

Because I'm a realist and I know that will never happen. I think the Sir Samuel Way building would make for a perfect train station when a city rail loop is eventually built.

Patrick_27 wrote:As I've said before. I'd prefer to see SkyCity build a casino within the the Sir Samuel Way building and expand onto the Hilton Hotel site. The Coles building behind these sites could be bulldozed and an laneway added to act as a buffer between the Central Market and Sir Samual Way building and Hilton site/s.
Expand the Central Market west into China Town and build a new larger China Town on the dead space across Grote Street next to the the Bus Terminal.

Because I'm a realist and I know that will never happen. I think the Sir Samuel Way building would make for a perfect train station when a city rail loop is eventually built.

Interesting comments. Someone who is thinking out of the box. However I doubt the old Moores Building (that's what it was) would make a good train station or a casino. The idea of a central station is novel and interesting, but I think if there ever was going to be a metro system (underground) running through Victoria Square it would only have a single line north-south. Would a building of this size be overkill and would it suit?

If they ever move the law courts it may have a chance as a boutique hotel. But even that could be remote. Being such an extensive low, flat building it would need an open central court for the inside rooms to have natural light and appeal. If not it will probably not suit.

Expanding and modernising the Central market and Chinatown is a must though. This is iconic Adelaide.

Cheers

Ho Really wrote: Interesting comments. Someone who is thinking out of the box. However I doubt the old Moores Building (that's what it was) would make a good train station or a casino. The idea of a central station is novel and interesting, but I think if there ever was going to be a metro system (underground) running through Victoria Square it would only have a single line north-south. Would a building of this size be overkill and would it suit?

If a regional commuter train network was established we'd need a much bigger central station.

Patrick_27 wrote:

Nathan wrote:

claybro wrote:Great to hear Currie/Grenfell are listed for an upgrade, however Grenfell street should have an underground bus station similar to the one in Brisbane, and the soon to be completed Wellington Street in Perth. Buses are noisy, smelly and cause congestion even amongst themselves. Lines of commuters waiting in the elements along the footpaths is not ideal either. There is plenty of width for a bus portal at the Currie street end and to the east of Hindmarsh Square, still allowing for 2 lanes of thru traffic if desired.

If you were going to have them run underground, why not ditch the eastern portal altogether and run it straight into the O-Bahn project (eliminating the portal in Rymill Park)?

I agree. But dare I say it I feel they may be holding off on such an concept until there are detailed plans for city rail loop, a bus tunnel may impact on those plans.

As long as buses run on diesel there will be issues. Worse if below ground. That's why buses belong above ground and there is no need to have a bus station underground. Adelaide has plenty of room if they want to build a central bus station. All they need is to re-organise the bus routes. This gov and the ACC have no idea how to implement a transport plan for the city. There's no real vision. The O-Bahn tunnel and the use of Grenfell Street won't turn out right. The O-Bahn should have always been a light rail. It should've connected with the Bay line and the extension to the Entertainment Centre along North Terrace. Simple. Save the money and invest it there. Then you can build your loop or loops of trams and a metro (one or two lines) in the city. Add a line to the Airport. And if you want run tram lines up all the main suburban streets like the old days. Buses will be used only as feeders. Again simple. Of course there are tons of costs. But if you want a good PT system build it well and once. Spend and go into debt, but it will be an investment done right for everyone to use for the next 20, 30, 40 years!

Cheers

P.S. Sorry for my rant. I didn't know where to put this, but since the ACC mentioned Grenfell Street and the O-Bahn I felt I had to make a comment. I am getting the sensation that our lovely city is being mucked around with and we'll have an illogical and disjointed system.

Ho Really wrote:
As long as buses run on diesel there will be issues. Worse if below ground. That's why buses belong above ground and there is no need to have a bus station underground. Adelaide has plenty of room if they want to build a central bus station. All they need is to re-organise the bus routes. This gov and the ACC have no idea how to implement a transport plan for the city. There's no real vision. The O-Bahn tunnel and the use of Grenfell Street won't turn out right. The O-Bahn should have always been a light rail. It should've connected with the Bay line and the extension to the Entertainment Centre along North Terrace. Simple. Save the money and invest it there. Then you can build your loop or loops of trams and a metro (one or two lines) in the city. Add a line to the Airport. And if you want run tram lines up all the main suburban streets like the old days. Buses will be used only as feeders. Again simple. Of course there are tons of costs. But if you want a good PT system build it well and once. Spend and go into debt, but it will be an investment done right for everyone to use for the next 20, 30, 40 years!

Cheers

P.S. Sorry for my rant. I didn't know where to put this, but since the ACC mentioned Grenfell Street and the O-Bahn I felt I had to make a comment. I am getting the sensation that our lovely city is being mucked around with and we'll have an illogical and disjointed system.

The only way we're going to get real change is if we elect a benevolent dictator that comes in and guts all the local councils, or find a new William Webb type person to come in and get it done

Looks like the Franklin Street footpath is finally getting a full upgrade.

New Adelaide City design manual released today:

http://www.adelaidedesignmanual.com.au/

See also: http://indaily.com.au/news/2016/02/25/p ... ty-design/

Edit: Ignore the crazy website - try this link for the document: http://www.adelaidedesignmanual.com.au/ ... /resources

I actually don't mind the proposed changes.

the adelaide now and facebook comments however.

Didn't Haese ride into the Lord Mayor's office on a platform that was pretty much "cars, parking, cars, cars, no bike lanes and cars"?

monotonehell wrote:Didn't Haese ride into the Lord Mayor's office on a platform that was pretty much "cars, parking, cars, cars, no bike lanes and cars"?

I think that was the other guy. Haese is a little bit more open I guess, or maybe the council have employed a hypnotist to change his views on things.

I've had a skim through the whole document. There's a lot to get through, but most of it seems very sensible and allows for a more holistic and consistent approach on how the public realm is designed across the city. Any future projects now have a clear reference to use.

Norman wrote:

monotonehell wrote:Didn't Haese ride into the Lord Mayor's office on a platform that was pretty much "cars, parking, cars, cars, no bike lanes and cars"?

I think that was the other guy. Haese is a little bit more open I guess, or maybe the council have employed a hypnotist to change his views on things.

It may have been...

monotonehell wrote:Didn't Haese ride into the Lord Mayor's office on a platform that was pretty much "cars, parking, cars, cars, no bike lanes and cars"?

I think that's just the route that everyone (myself included) presumed he would take being a self-confessed motoring enthusiast.

I guess at the end of the day Haese's a businessman and it seems he's got the commonsense to realise that, as far as 21st century cities are concerned, the car has had its day. Make cities pedestrian, bike and public transport friendly, boost their populations and business will flourish.