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SRW wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:20 pm

SBD wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:28 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:18 am

it would?

Perhaps "Adelaide to a North American hub"?

But Adelaide has a niche film industry and video game industry, both of which could be relevant to Los Angeles and nearby California. There is probably more travel done to/from Adelaide for the Defence sector, but I'm not sure if there's any other practical US hub that would fit better.

I'd prefer LA or San Fran, but San Diego is the naval hub and currently has no air connection with Australia. Could be a mutual fit.

A fair amount of defence travel could also be routed to Honolulu once (if??) the submarines are underway as a major missile testing range is in Hawaii and many subs are home-ported in Pearl Harbour.

Can't see it being San Diego, the major 3 US airlines only fly to there from their hubs and even with Southwest and Alaska they only fly to Mexico internationally from there.

SF most likely with United, could be LA though.

JCK98 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:51 pm

SRW wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:20 pm

SBD wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:28 pm

Perhaps "Adelaide to a North American hub"?

But Adelaide has a niche film industry and video game industry, both of which could be relevant to Los Angeles and nearby California. There is probably more travel done to/from Adelaide for the Defence sector, but I'm not sure if there's any other practical US hub that would fit better.

I'd prefer LA or San Fran, but San Diego is the naval hub and currently has no air connection with Australia. Could be a mutual fit.

A fair amount of defence travel could also be routed to Honolulu once (if??) the submarines are underway as a major missile testing range is in Hawaii and many subs are home-ported in Pearl Harbour.

Can't see it being San Diego, the major 3 US airlines only fly to there from their hubs and even with Southwest and Alaska they only fly to Mexico internationally from there.

SF most likely with United, could be LA though.

Adelaide Airport should aim for which ever US city has the better connections with other major US destinations. Think that would play a big part in making a direct connection with the US successful long term once the novelty wears off.

Honolulu might be a better destination than LA or San Fran because it's closer and has almost the same connectivity to all major US cities. It has much better connectivity than Brisbane/Sydney/Melbourne.

Whilst the raw data may suggest that a direct service to the US might be viable, I wouldn't underestimate the flying public's preference for particular airlines and their associated loyalty programs.

Personally, regardless of who offers a potential direct Adelaide - US service, if it doesn't align with my preferred airline loyalty program, I have no issue making a stop in MEL / SYD / BNE / AKL / NAN / HNL to maximise earnings or use points for upgrade options.

VinyTapestry849 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:04 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:45 pm

VinyTapestry849 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:58 pm

There were 39,000+ travellers per annum that Adelaide airport identified were going to and from Los Angeles from Adelaide. Thats not even including the people who would be travelling to San Fransico/New York, etc. That is PLENTY to justify a direct service a couple of times a week.

When the service eventually comes online it'll be very popular

Data can be found on a graph here: https://tinyurl.com/kkx2ph9k

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Please look at the facts before being your usual pessimistic self

that's a miniscule amount of traffic and pointless given Sydney is en route

nothing to do with pessimism, its realism

So why have United airlines sent delegations and are in communication with Adelaide airport?

christ you make this forum miserable abc. You have no optimism. A classic adelaide nimby

they sent delegations to Australia, they're specifically interested in adding flights to Brisbane for the Olympics

you're a classic hick that doesn't understand how population of Australian towns counts suburbs where overseas its just urban areas, so you have no perspective... for example the population of Los Angeles if it were measured the same way as we do in Australia would be 18.4 million. That's why its a hub on the west coast of USA.

abc wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:03 am

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you're a classic hick that doesn't understand how population of Australian towns counts suburbs where overseas its just urban areas, so you have no perspective... for example the population of Los Angeles if it were measured the same way as we do in Australia would be 18.4 million. That's why its a hub on the west coast of USA.

California as a whole has a huge population. As rev stated earlier it's what city has the best connections from the west coast to the rest of North America (that means including Canada and perhaps Mexico and Central America). Prime candidates are LAX and SFO, but don't discount HNL with onward journeys to mainland USA. That's what we should aim for but it is up to whichever airline flies here out of the big three and Hawaiian where they fly to.

Cheers

VinyTapestry849 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:58 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:20 pm

direct flights to Asia are much more practical than direct flights from Adelaide to the USA... there would be miniscule traffic on such flights to justify such a route

a lot of Asians live in Adelaide and travel back and forth for family reasons, this isn't the case with USA

There were 39,000+ travellers per annum that Adelaide airport identified were going to and from Los Angeles from Adelaide. Thats not even including the people who would be travelling to San Fransico/New York, etc. That is PLENTY to justify a direct service a couple of times a week.

When the service eventually comes online it'll be very popular

Data can be found on a graph here: https://tinyurl.com/kkx2ph9k

52f9833795bf06cbe27382371e37b060061702d8.png


Please look at the facts before being your usual pessimistic self

Pretty big demand on the Adelaide-Delhi route. I wonder if direct flights on that route might be something we could realistically pursue now that Air India has switched to a strategy of trying to build Delhi into a Gulf-style global transfer hub.

Just some food for thought. Check out these increases for outbound tourist spending (in the billion USD) from the three highlighted in particular the UK.

dbl96 wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:49 pm

VinyTapestry849 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:58 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:20 pm

direct flights to Asia are much more practical than direct flights from Adelaide to the USA... there would be miniscule traffic on such flights to justify such a route

a lot of Asians live in Adelaide and travel back and forth for family reasons, this isn't the case with USA

There were 39,000+ travellers per annum that Adelaide airport identified were going to and from Los Angeles from Adelaide. Thats not even including the people who would be travelling to San Fransico/New York, etc. That is PLENTY to justify a direct service a couple of times a week.

When the service eventually comes online it'll be very popular

Data can be found on a graph here: https://tinyurl.com/kkx2ph9k

52f9833795bf06cbe27382371e37b060061702d8.png


Please look at the facts before being your usual pessimistic self

Pretty big demand on the Adelaide-Delhi route. I wonder if direct flights on that route might be something we could realistically pursue now that Air India has switched to a strategy of trying to build Delhi into a Gulf-style global transfer hub.

...and this is my point

makes far more sense than direct to LAX

rev wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:32 pm

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Just some food for thought. Check out these increases for outbound tourist spending (in the billion USD) from the three highlighted in particular the UK.

is that adjusted for inflation which has gone up dramatically in the west since the great reset?

abc wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:03 am

they sent delegations to Australia, they're specifically interested in adding flights to Brisbane for the Olympics

That sentence lies clear just how little you know... I wasn't talking about the east coast.

United Airlines sent two delegations specifically to Adelaide airport and has had constructive conversations with the airports board members and higher-ups about a US-Adelaide route before the pandemic. Covid has delayed it all.

I've been told United are right now in constructive communication with our airport and once we get china southern and cathay back, Boeing sorts itself out and United receive aircraft deliveries, we might see something materialise soon. As I've said before, once we get our other airlines back. Adelaide airport will turn its full attention to a US route.

The data says its possible, United clearly think its profitable. Its real

dbl96 wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:49 pm

Pretty big demand on the Adelaide-Delhi route. I wonder if direct flights on that route might be something we could realistically pursue now that Air India has switched to a strategy of trying to build Delhi into a Gulf-style global transfer hub.

In regards to a possible dehli route...

Mr. Cox - Director of Adelaide Airport:

“In terms of New Delhi, Tokyo and Los Angeles, they’re our three biggest markets or cities that are currently not directly served where you’ve got large flows of people travelling between already,” he said.

“They are destinations that we are absolutely confident would make money for those airlines tomorrow.

“Our priority is to re-establish routes from pre-Covid times, just as we have done with Emirates, and to develop new routes connecting our state to South East Asia, China, the United States and Japan.”

Also, in regards to QANTAS international returning to Adelaide:

“We would absolutely love the national carrier flying internationally from the Adelaide market, and we do believe that Qantas itself would also love to be flying internationally from the Adelaide market,” Mr Cox said.

“Really what we’re waiting for at the moment, and what Qantas is waiting for, is new aircraft deliveries that will enable Adelaide to be served by Qantas more cost effectively and also in a way that is right-sized for our market.”

JCK98 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:51 pm

Can't see it being San Diego, the major 3 US airlines only fly to there from their hubs and even with Southwest and Alaska they only fly to Mexico internationally from there.

SF most likely with United, could be LA though.

It WILL be San Fransico.

United have always started off a new pacific route with SF.

Its not like there's another US carrier wanting to come to Adelaide right now, its just United, so it will be SF.

abc wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:03 am

they sent delegations to Australia, they're specifically interested in adding flights to Brisbane for the Olympics

That sentence lies clear just how little you know... I wasn't talking about the east coast.

United Airlines sent two delegations specifically to Adelaide airport and has had constructive conversations with the airports board members and higher-ups about a US-Adelaide route before the pandemic. Covid has delayed it all.

I've been told United are right now in constructive communication with our airport and once we get china southern and cathay back, Boeing sorts itself out and United receive aircraft deliveries, we might see something materialise soon. As I've said before, once we get our other airlines back. Adelaide airport will turn its full attention to a US route.

The data says its possible, United clearly think its profitable. Its real

dbl96 wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:49 pm

Pretty big demand on the Adelaide-Delhi route. I wonder if direct flights on that route might be something we could realistically pursue now that Air India has switched to a strategy of trying to build Delhi into a Gulf-style global transfer hub.

In regards to a possible dehli route...

Mr. Cox - Director of Adelaide Airport:

“In terms of New Delhi, Tokyo and Los Angeles, they’re our three biggest markets or cities that are currently not directly served where you’ve got large flows of people travelling between already,” he said.

“They are destinations that we are absolutely confident would make money for those airlines tomorrow.

“Our priority is to re-establish routes from pre-Covid times, just as we have done with Emirates, and to develop new routes connecting our state to South East Asia, China, the United States and Japan.”

Also, in regards to QANTAS international returning to Adelaide:

“We would absolutely love the national carrier flying internationally from the Adelaide market, and we do believe that Qantas itself would also love to be flying internationally from the Adelaide market,” Mr Cox said.

“Really what we’re waiting for at the moment, and what Qantas is waiting for, is new aircraft deliveries that will enable Adelaide to be served by Qantas more cost effectively and also in a way that is right-sized for our market.”

JCK98 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:51 pm

Can't see it being San Diego, the major 3 US airlines only fly to there from their hubs and even with Southwest and Alaska they only fly to Mexico internationally from there.

SF most likely with United, could be LA though.

It WILL be San Fransico.

United have always started off a new pacific route with SF.

Its not like there's another US carrier wanting to come to Adelaide right now, its just United, so it will be SF.

SF provides a lot of connections, so people who want to go to LA just need to hop on a short flight to LAX

VinyTapestry849 wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:16 pm

abc wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:03 am

they sent delegations to Australia, they're specifically interested in adding flights to Brisbane for the Olympics

That sentence lies clear just how little you know... I wasn't talking about the east coast.

United Airlines sent two delegations specifically to Adelaide airport and has had constructive conversations with the airports board members and higher-ups about a US-Adelaide route before the pandemic. Covid has delayed it all.

I've been told United are right now in constructive communication with our airport and once we get china southern and cathay back, Boeing sorts itself out and United receive aircraft deliveries, we might see something materialise soon. As I've said before, once we get our other airlines back. Adelaide airport will turn its full attention to a US route.

lol, that was 5 years ago, nothing has happened since other than United looking at expanding flights to the East Coast.

abc wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:08 pm

lol, that was 5 years ago, nothing has happened since other than United looking at expanding flights to the East Coast.

I used to work part-time at the airport, mates tell me what goes on in there. Its bordering on amusing now how you think you know whats going on and you don't.

the "all-knowing" and "all-wise" abc

We'll get US flights soon

Thread cleaned up. Keep the conversation on topic.

The airport is currently at 923,732 international passengers per year, as at March 2024. Still a bit of work to go to get back over the million mark we had before the pandemic.

Domestic traffic is at 6,711,094 annual passengers as at March 2024, also very close to the pre-pandemic number of 7,306,666.