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Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:04 pm
by Will
It's interesting how those who virtue signal about how peaceful, tolerant and inclusive they are, are often the most hateful and violent....
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:19 pm
by A-Town
Really sad to see what's happened to Melbourne. Used to love visiting there, but it just seems like their CBD never bounced back from Covid the same way other cities have.
As for the protests, violence is never okay, and deliberately harming horse is animal abuse. These people should be locked up.
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:20 pm
by gnrc_louis
Will wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:04 pm
It's interesting how those who virtue signal about how peaceful, tolerant and inclusive they are, are often the most hateful and violent....
What does this even mean?
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:09 pm
by Will
gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:20 pm
Will wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:04 pm
It's interesting how those who virtue signal about how peaceful, tolerant and inclusive they are, are often the most hateful and violent....
What does this even mean?
People who claim to be "anti-war" are behaving in a belligerent fashion towards the police, police horses, the media, innocent bystanders...
Not that hard to understand.
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:37 pm
by gnrc_louis
Will wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:09 pm
gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:20 pm
Will wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:04 pm
It's interesting how those who virtue signal about how peaceful, tolerant and inclusive they are, are often the most hateful and violent....
What does this even mean?
People who claim to be "anti-war" are behaving in a belligerent fashion towards the police, police horses, the media, innocent bystanders...
Not that hard to understand.
Still don’t really see the correlation tbh. Acting in a “belligerent” fashion isn’t equivalent to war.
Like at many protests, there are some who protest more “peacefully” and those who don’t. I’m sure the latter will be dealt with accordingly by the justice system.
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:33 pm
by SBD
gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:37 pm
Will wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:09 pm
gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:20 pm
What does this even mean?
People who claim to be "anti-war" are behaving in a belligerent fashion towards the police, police horses, the media, innocent bystanders...
Not that hard to understand.
Still don’t really see the correlation tbh. Acting in a “belligerent” fashion isn’t equivalent to war.
Like at many protests, there are some who protest more “peacefully” and those who don’t. I’m sure the latter will be dealt with accordingly by the justice system.
Being violent and aggressive towards the people attending the expo is unreasonable. Violence towards the the police is even worse.
These people might not support the Australian Army having access to modern technology, and might not support "Made in Australia" equipment being sold to foreign armies, but how do the scenes from Melbourne help their cause?
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:46 pm
by gnrc_louis
SBD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:33 pm
gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:37 pm
Will wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:09 pm
People who claim to be "anti-war" are behaving in a belligerent fashion towards the police, police horses, the media, innocent bystanders...
Not that hard to understand.
Still don’t really see the correlation tbh. Acting in a “belligerent” fashion isn’t equivalent to war.
Like at many protests, there are some who protest more “peacefully” and those who don’t. I’m sure the latter will be dealt with accordingly by the justice system.
Being violent and aggressive towards the people attending the expo is unreasonable. Violence towards the the police is even worse.
These people might not support the Australian Army having access to modern technology, and might not support "Made in Australia" equipment being sold to foreign armies, but how do the scenes from Melbourne help their cause?
I don't think it does help their cause, but then I also think most street protest - whether peaceful or otherwise, is generally ineffective in achieving change at this point in time. That said, I still support people's right to peacefully do it - regardless of whether I agree with their cause or not.
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:00 am
by SBD
gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:46 pm
SBD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:33 pm
gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:37 pm
Still don’t really see the correlation tbh. Acting in a “belligerent” fashion isn’t equivalent to war.
Like at many protests, there are some who protest more “peacefully” and those who don’t. I’m sure the latter will be dealt with accordingly by the justice system.
Being violent and aggressive towards the people attending the expo is unreasonable. Violence towards the the police is even worse.
These people might not support the Australian Army having access to modern technology, and might not support "Made in Australia" equipment being sold to foreign armies, but how do the scenes from Melbourne help their cause?
I don't think it does help their cause, but then I also think most street protest - whether peaceful or otherwise, is generally ineffective in achieving change at this point in time. That said, I still support people's right to peacefully do it - regardless of whether I agree with their cause or not.
What I've seen from Melbourne didn't look like a "peaceful protest". I'm sure the TV camera operators and edit room set out to make it look as violent as possible, but the protesters provided the source material.
I'm not sure if they were trying to influence the people entering the venue, people in Canberra or people watching on TV, but I'm not sure they had an effect on any of them in the way they wanted.
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:00 am
by rev
gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:37 pm
Will wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:09 pm
gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:20 pm
What does this even mean?
People who claim to be "anti-war" are behaving in a belligerent fashion towards the police, police horses, the media, innocent bystanders...
Not that hard to understand.
Still don’t really see the correlation tbh. Acting in a “belligerent” fashion isn’t equivalent to war.
Like at many protests, there are some who protest more “peacefully” and those who don’t. I’m sure the latter will be dealt with accordingly by the justice system.
You don't see the correlation between a land systems weapon expo, said systems being for war, war obviously being violent in nature, and the people protesting against these things and presumably based on their placards protesting for the protection of civilians, resorting to violence, and at times attacking innocent bystanders and people simply going about their daily lives? There were people in that protest waving palestinian flags, people who think Israel shouldn't bomb Gaza where innocent people have been killed, who then attacked innocent people in the streets of Melbourne.
Interesting.
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:35 am
by VinyTapestry849
in this instance the people who are protesting are just lonely miserable losers who want to be part of something. They couldn't give less of a shit about Palestine or wars. They just want a reason to be angry, to protest and to cause maximum chaos.
deplorable and sad individuals who have been hurt by something/someone
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:50 am
by rubberman
VinyTapestry849 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:35 am
in this instance the people who are protesting are just lonely miserable losers who want to be part of something. They couldn't give less of a shit about Palestine or wars. They just want a reason to be angry, to protest and to cause maximum chaos.
deplorable and sad individuals who have been hurt by something/someone
Maybe they are, but suggesting they should be shot is vicious lunacy. By all means, if someone is alleged to have commited a crime, put them through the courts.
In the US, for example, Trump is accused of being a criminal, and is thus on trial. That's the right way. Some looney taking a pot shot to give him an ear piercing is not.
Likewise, we should use the courts.
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:14 am
by VinyTapestry849
rubberman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:50 am
VinyTapestry849 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:35 am
in this instance the people who are protesting are just lonely miserable losers who want to be part of something. They couldn't give less of a shit about Palestine or wars. They just want a reason to be angry, to protest and to cause maximum chaos.
deplorable and sad individuals who have been hurt by something/someone
Maybe they are, but suggesting they should be shot is vicious lunacy. By all means, if someone is alleged to have commited a crime, put them through the courts.
In the US, for example, Trump is accused of being a criminal, and is thus on trial. That's the right way. Some looney taking a pot shot to give him an ear piercing is not.
Likewise, we should use the courts.
Who in here asked for them to get shot bro? Though rubber bullets aren't that bad tbh
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:14 am
by gnrc_louis
rev wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:00 am
gnrc_louis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:37 pm
Will wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:09 pm
People who claim to be "anti-war" are behaving in a belligerent fashion towards the police, police horses, the media, innocent bystanders...
Not that hard to understand.
Still don’t really see the correlation tbh. Acting in a “belligerent” fashion isn’t equivalent to war.
Like at many protests, there are some who protest more “peacefully” and those who don’t. I’m sure the latter will be dealt with accordingly by the justice system.
You don't see the correlation between a land systems weapon expo, said systems being for war, war obviously being violent in nature, and the people protesting against these things and presumably based on their placards protesting for the protection of civilians, resorting to violence, and at times attacking innocent bystanders and people simply going about their daily lives? There were people in that protest waving palestinian flags, people who think Israel shouldn't bomb Gaza where innocent people have been killed, who then attacked innocent people in the streets of Melbourne.
Interesting.
I don’t think a whole family getting effectively vaporised by highly advanced weapons systems has much in common with a few hundred protestors being belligerent towards attendees of a conference, no.
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:42 am
by abc
rubberman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:50 am
VinyTapestry849 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:35 am
in this instance the people who are protesting are just lonely miserable losers who want to be part of something. They couldn't give less of a shit about Palestine or wars. They just want a reason to be angry, to protest and to cause maximum chaos.
deplorable and sad individuals who have been hurt by something/someone
Maybe they are, but suggesting they should be shot is vicious lunacy. By all means, if someone is alleged to have commited a crime, put them through the courts.
In the US, for example, Trump is accused of being a criminal, and is thus on trial. That's the right way. Some looney taking a pot shot to give him an ear piercing is not.
Likewise, we should use the courts.
Your people were cheering the police when they shot the lockdown protesters in Melbourne at the Shrine. They were doing nothing violent at all.
Re: Beer Garden
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:15 pm
by rubberman
abc wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:42 am
rubberman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:50 am
VinyTapestry849 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:35 am
in this instance the people who are protesting are just lonely miserable losers who want to be part of something. They couldn't give less of a shit about Palestine or wars. They just want a reason to be angry, to protest and to cause maximum chaos.
deplorable and sad individuals who have been hurt by something/someone
Maybe they are, but suggesting they should be shot is vicious lunacy. By all means, if someone is alleged to have commited a crime, put them through the courts.
In the US, for example, Trump is accused of being a criminal, and is thus on trial. That's the right way. Some looney taking a pot shot to give him an ear piercing is not.
Likewise, we should use the courts.
Your people were cheering the police when they shot the lockdown protesters in Melbourne at the Shrine. They were doing nothing violent at all.
Show me where I ever cheered the police shooting at protesters.
There are plenty of examples of where police are justified in using deadly force. For example, Wieambilla in 2022. However, anyone suggesting that police should use bullets on people for protesting is a psychopathic nutjob, whatever side of politics they come from. Is that clear? Do you understand that?