[COM] M2 Northern Connector | 15.5km | $867m

[monotonehell]

The land requires the northern connector which will be raised to act as a barricade for the flood sea water that normally fills the area.

The road is vital to the residential build.

I imagine the salt pans will be dug out and new top soil placed. After that I don't think the land will be any worse than other land close to a sea.

There shouldn't be any residential build there, that's the thing. No better or different to Buckland Park honestly.

I disagree, I see the development of the salt pans and Bolivar as infill development and something that should be encouraged.

Rather that, than the suburban sprawl edging closer to Kapunda and McLean Vale.

I think CP was speaking to the quality of the location not the location of the location. The area is below sea level, and been used for salt production for decades. That doesn't bode well for a housing estate. Brackish Delfin Island had its share of troubles with subsidence and salt leaching up through imported soils. This location is even more saline.

[claybro]

Basically, the fundamental problem is that because we got rid of our in house technical ability, something that should cost $360 Million per year, would cost $1.2 Billion. And Labor governments are baulking (like Victoria and South Australia ).Both parties competed to reduce public sector numbers, and this is where they came from. We loved it and voted for them. So now we have a choice: be royally shafted, or do without the infrastructure. It's our own fault, too bad.

Yep, get all of that rubberman, and yet despite this, the superway was conceived, planned and constructed out of nowhere before we could blink. -an elevated road no less. Not bad for no expertise and technical ability etc..
We have a road centric federal government screaming for major road projects to be up and running, all they want is for some "external" funding to be in place. So ..-all it now requires is get the same state government to get the same team who got the superway done in record time, tell the transport industry they will pay a toll...and bingo, in three to five years time we will have another few kilometres of beautiful new road for all to enjoy. Really, as other have said, what is the problem!

[Waewick]

We need to educate the GP that their tax $ doesn't go close to covering all the costs this government spends - reminding the state that we are subisidised by the rest of the country.

This road is perfect for a broad toll, it is likely to be used by heavy transport, there are options to go around it and more importantly, it isn't a massive road so the toll won't be huge meaning people won't get blow away my the cost.

I'm not all about Tolls Tolls Tolls, but we shouldn't be baulking from it.

[Phantom]

From purely a physical point of view, this area would be a great place for urban infill. Of course, that's ignoring the issues of the land being shit.

I really do wonder about the land around the connector sinking.

I'm feeling another monorail song-thread coming on here...

[drsmith]

The recently released N/S corridor study commented that where the Northern Connector road carriageways pass over the salt pans, pre-loading in the form of fill placement is required for 12-months before construction can begin. This pre-loading I assume is to squeeze the water out from the ground underneath to create a sufficiently solid base to then support the construction and operation of the road.

[rubberman]

Claybro,

The government did not do the detailed design, nor the construction.

Furthermore, it was not a PPP. The idea of the PPP plus tolls is to increase the amount a State can spend before running foul of ratings agencies. But PPP is a ripoff.

So, yes we can do stuff bit by bit, such as we have been doing, but it's finding the big bucks that's the problem. And because finding the big bucks involves us being ripped off to hell, for the reasons I have been saying, it's getting government resistance.

That's the point.

[ChillyPhilly]

The land requires the northern connector which will be raised to act as a barricade for the flood sea water that normally fills the area.

The road is vital to the residential build.

I imagine the salt pans will be dug out and new top soil placed. After that I don't think the land will be any worse than other land close to a sea.

There shouldn't be any residential build there, that's the thing. No better or different to Buckland Park honestly.

I disagree, I see the development of the salt pans and Bolivar as infill development and something that should be encouraged.

Rather that, than the suburban sprawl edging closer to Freeling and McLean Vale.

Building on the salt pans or around Bolivar is not infill development. That's mostly greenfield development. Big 'no, no, no' to build there. While geographically it's better than Munno Para North, eastern Gawler or Roseworthy, it's still a horrid idea. Where are jobs for its residents going to be based? How are these residents going to travel to work? Where will their children go to school? It's another ghetto waiting to happen, and even DPTI staff will tell you the same, off the record. Even Bolivar as it is now has no substantial public transport access and general movement from the west is impeded by Port Wakefield Road.

[bits]

Jobs will be from industrial development of the empty gilman land from the dump to Torrens island. There is massive amounts of land available out near gilman, wingfield, dry creek, cavan etc.
Road connection is via a new freeway connecting it to all of Adelaide aka north-south motorway. It could easy have plenty of bus connections.

School I assume there would be a new school built to support the new development of this land and infill of land in the general Bolivar area.

Port Wakefield road south of the north-south motorway is to become more of a local main road similar to main north road if not smaller volume. It is not a road that would impede traffic as it does today in its temp highway setup.

This project opens up this land and Bolivar to development and in fill. It is prime land waiting for a purpose. I see it also improving Mawson Lakes as a high density center of the north.

Closer to city compared to other recent developments.
Better connected via a brand new freeway.
Close to ocean.
Close to uni.
Next door to previous recently developed reclaimed land Mawson Lakes.

I personally believe the unlocking of all this northern land is the main goal of the northern connector. If it was just a freeway you would use the existing port river expressway and port Wakefield road at much less expense. Instead of building a road parallel through existing homes and businesses including the salt pans.
It is likely why the superway was high priority also, it was needed to allow this extension of Adelaide to the north.


https://renewalsa.sa.gov.au/renewalsa/c ... ow-Res.pdf

http://adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/nor ... 6597893759

http://dailytelegraph.com.au/salisbury- ... 6600488362

[ChillyPhilly]

Somehow I can't see mothers and teenagers working as truck drivers shifting tons of dirt around the place.

Any development on the site of the salt pans would have significant negative impacts socially, economically and environmentally - it's just a bad idea.

It will do nothing to reduce car dependence (in fact will increase it); remain vulnerable and at risk of being flooded in a one-in-100 year flood (to be fair, Buckland Park is far, far worse for this); will be quintessentially disconnected from nearby existing urban areas and centres by being cut off in all directions by roads and railways; will not promote active and healthy living and modes of transport, in particular cycling and walking between from destinations; will have a net overall impact detrimental to nearby environment catchments and ecosystems (in particular the mangroves); will not carry much if any place value and will likely contribute to an existing oversupply of new housing. The oversupply is not 'publicised': DPTI have said that many new dwellings in newer subdivisions are bought by interstate buyers who in turn rent the properties out. There's more reasons against building on the salt pans that I can think of, but the reasons here are enough for now. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

The Northern Connector was first mooted in 2006 as a means of attracting heavy vehicles and freight away from Port Wakefield Road and to a lesser extent, Salisbury Highway. It is intended to have the same impact as PRExy did with Grand Junction/Cormack Roads. Unlike South Road, it is not necessarily intended as a road to address commuter needs. Like South Road however, Port Wakefield Road is slowly becoming increasingly unable to cope with traffic demands in its current setup, and to rebuild it as a proper freeway standard road would cause a larger number of issues than doing so would solve. So the only real option is to build something new that is actually designed with catering for freight in mind.

[bits]

A lot more than moving dirt around happens in gilman, wingfield, Cavan, dry creek, Greenfields, mawson lakes, Salisbury, Bolivar, Burton etc. It is fairly demeaning to the entire area to suggest nothing more than dirt gets moved around in the north of Adelaide.

The development includes walking and cycling tracks to the industrial area for work. It includes walking and cycling tracks through eco sites such as wetlands and mangroves.

The area will basically be an extension of Mawson lakes, I don't see any of the problems you are claiming and neither does the 30 plan that includes this land release.
This land has been long thought about, it is not an overnight decision to build this entire area. All it is waiting on is the north-south motorway to be built and the right level of demand for industry and housing. The prep of this land will take a decade and I'm sure within a few years it will begin.

[crawf]

Continue discussion here regarding the salt pans and bolivar >>>> http://sensational-adelaide.com/forum/v ... 34#p136034
incl my reply.

[Torrens_5022]

You could build a station under Port Wakefield Rd and have a park and ride, plus extend Kidman Rd over Salisbury Hwy into the new housing estate, provide a loop bus to the station. The location is good, the actual land not really.

[crawf]

Announcement on the Northern Connector is imminent

PM flags support for SA road project
3 HOURS AGO AUGUST 14, 2015 8:26PM
http://www.news.com.au/national/breakin ... 7484216177

PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has flagged an imminent announcement on federal support for Adelaide's northern-connector road project.

THE 15-kilometre road will provide better access for freight through Adelaide's northern suburbs and is a key part of a north-south express corridor through the city.

Mr Abbott says the commonwealth regards the connector an important project and talks are continuing with the South Australian government.

"My understanding is just about everyone in South Australia wants it to crack on as quickly as possible," he said during a visit to Adelaide on Friday.

"I hope to have more to say about this in the near future."

A reminder..

[ml69]

Announcement on the Northern Connector is imminent

PM flags support for SA road project
3 HOURS AGO AUGUST 14, 2015 8:26PM
http://www.news.com.au/national/breakin ... 7484216177

PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has flagged an imminent announcement on federal support for Adelaide's northern-connector road project.

THE 15-kilometre road will provide better access for freight through Adelaide's northern suburbs and is a key part of a north-south express corridor through the city.

Mr Abbott says the commonwealth regards the connector an important project and talks are continuing with the South Australian government.

"My understanding is just about everyone in South Australia wants it to crack on as quickly as possible," he said during a visit to Adelaide on Friday.

"I hope to have more to say about this in the near future."

A reminder..

Great news!

Does anyone know whether the northern connector plan allows for space provision for a future metro rail line to service the Dry Creek and Waterloo Corner areas if they get redeveloped into housing estates?

[Norman]

Announcement on the Northern Connector is imminent

PM flags support for SA road project
3 HOURS AGO AUGUST 14, 2015 8:26PM
http://www.news.com.au/national/breakin ... 7484216177

PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has flagged an imminent announcement on federal support for Adelaide's northern-connector road project.

THE 15-kilometre road will provide better access for freight through Adelaide's northern suburbs and is a key part of a north-south express corridor through the city.

Mr Abbott says the commonwealth regards the connector an important project and talks are continuing with the South Australian government.

"My understanding is just about everyone in South Australia wants it to crack on as quickly as possible," he said during a visit to Adelaide on Friday.

"I hope to have more to say about this in the near future."

A reminder..

Great news!

Does anyone know whether the northern connector plan allows for space provision for a future metro rail line to service the Dry Creek and Waterloo Corner areas if they get redeveloped into housing estates?

No, but there is currently a standard gauge freight line going through Salisbury North that could be utilised once the rail component of the Northern Connector frees up that line.