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What would be the social impact on the area of a Superway-style elevated freeway between the tram and Tonsley? It could give nice views of the CBD skyline from a new angle in places.
As a former resident of that area, I believe the the social impact would actually be quite minimal, because that along that stretch of South Road, there are very few (if any) east-west traffic movements from residential streets. Access is pretty limited and consists of mostly left-in left-out only movements. People tend to stick to the major east-west thoroughfares (i.e. Raglan Avenue-Edward Street, Cross and Daws Roads) to access their work, education, shops, recreation and community services.
Agree entirely Shuz. Never quite got the angst by some regarding this stretch. It is a shemozzle of low grade, poorly maintained shopfronts and vacant buildings, with very poor accessibility, dirty, noisy polluted and grubby. Bulldozing the lot and carving a path through either elevated or lowered would be a vast improvement, and the cost of a tunnel would achieve little additional benefit. In fact a tunnel would lead to no improvement to the visual surface environment. I think since the opening of T2T, people actually realise how much better it would be.[Shuz] wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:42 pmAs a former resident of that area, I believe the the social impact would actually be quite minimal, because that along that stretch of South Road, there are very few (if any) east-west traffic movements from residential streets. Access is pretty limited and consists of mostly left-in left-out only movements. People tend to stick to the major east-west thoroughfares (i.e. Raglan Avenue-Edward Street, Cross and Daws Roads) to access their work, education, shops, recreation and community services.
I think Shorten's language made the project about a freeway to get commuters to the CBD, not a freight route to bypass it. With that perspective, the section between the tram line and the Torrens is unnecessary as Anzac Highway provides the required city access, and construction would disrupt commuter traffic flows along Richmond, Sir Donald Bradman and Henley Beach Roads. It would also drive a need for further work to improve access presently provided by Cross Road from the SE Freeway. Just regarding it as a commuter freeway project appeals to Labor voters ("working families") with cars.
Is Cross Road the exception here? The existing overpass was to be (effectively) duplicated, with a trench or tunnel being ruled out around the surrounding area because of the water table.NTRabbit wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:39 pmI've been told an elevated superway anywhere between Torrens and Darlington has been categorically ruled out at all levels (due to noise pollution first, and residents fighting "visual pollution" second), and tunnel or trench are the only options that will ever be considered, fwiw
I was of the understanding that Emerson Crossing was to be bulldozed and rebuilt because it doesn't meet the specs for expressway grade and would also provide an opportunity to burry the train line below Cross Road.ChillyPhilly wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:24 amIs Cross Road the exception here? The existing overpass was to be (effectively) duplicated, with a trench or tunnel being ruled out around the surrounding area because of the water table.NTRabbit wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:39 pmI've been told an elevated superway anywhere between Torrens and Darlington has been categorically ruled out at all levels (due to noise pollution first, and residents fighting "visual pollution" second), and tunnel or trench are the only options that will ever be considered, fwiw
Likewise, it's certainly not freeway standard. Perhaps it could have been the service road in this instance.Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:41 amI was of the understanding that Emerson Crossing was to be bulldozed and rebuilt because it doesn't meet the specs for expressway grade and would also provide an opportunity to burry the train line below Cross Road.ChillyPhilly wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:24 amIs Cross Road the exception here? The existing overpass was to be (effectively) duplicated, with a trench or tunnel being ruled out around the surrounding area because of the water table.NTRabbit wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:39 pmI've been told an elevated superway anywhere between Torrens and Darlington has been categorically ruled out at all levels (due to noise pollution first, and residents fighting "visual pollution" second), and tunnel or trench are the only options that will ever be considered, fwiw
The ten-year strategy (2015) has the road lowered between Ayliffes and Daws Roads and Ashwin Parade to Anzac Highway. It has it elevated over the Torrens and Over Daws Road to north of Edward Street (just south of Emerson Crossing). It notes this provides flexibility for future options for Emerson, but doesn't seem to have a clear plan for it more precise than "future grade separation".ChillyPhilly wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:33 pmLikewise, it's certainly not freeway standard. Perhaps it could have been the service road in this instance.Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:41 amI was of the understanding that Emerson Crossing was to be bulldozed and rebuilt because it doesn't meet the specs for expressway grade and would also provide an opportunity to burry the train line below Cross Road.ChillyPhilly wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:24 am
Is Cross Road the exception here? The existing overpass was to be (effectively) duplicated, with a trench or tunnel being ruled out around the surrounding area because of the water table.
It would probably need to be wider to support three lanes each way at 80km/h anyway. Gallipoli Underpass is considered to be "done", but Emerson is not, so the people who know must have decided it isn't good enough in some sense.