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Although I'm interested to know how they will manage to get hold of the old gaol site, which partly(the buildings on port rd) is still used by SAPOL.

Is that something the Council has sway over? I'd hate to see another catastrophe similar to Vic Park.

BenJ wrote: I'd hate to see another catastrophe similar to Vic Park.

Maybe they can build a temporary world-class stadium?

rev wrote:Melbourne Victory moved to a bigger stadium, and the crowds flocked to their home games.

Yeah, but unlike Adelaide United, Melbourne were filling their smaller stadium, turning people away on a regular basis. That showed that they had more fans than they could cater for at Olympic Park.

On the other hand Adelaide United have not sold out a game for two years. And average around the 12,000 mark. (excluding the Adelaide Oval game).

Of course, people will use the Adelaide Oval game as evidence that the crowds will turn up but it'll take more than one game to convince me. That game had novelty factor. Just watch, the more games they play at Adelaide Oval, the less the public will attend them.

Simply, Adelaide United have 12,000 or so regular fans who attend games. They just aren't going to all of a sudden aquire another 12,000-20,000 out of thin air. Sure, they might turn up here and there but anyone who says they aren't going to games but now but would go at a new stadium is full of it. That is the definition of fickle. And fickle fans don't stick around so no use counting on them.

As an Adelaide United member I dearly hope they don't ever move to a 45,000 seat stadium, or even a 30,000 seat stadium. We can see in Sydney how bad it looks and sounds when a 40,000 seat arena has only 15,000 people in it. I don't ever want that scenario in Adelaide. It's time to stop the idea that we need to put the cart before the horse and accept there is a lot of progress to be made before Adelaide United should even be thinking about moving to a bigger venue.

Tyler_Durden wrote:

rev wrote:Melbourne Victory moved to a bigger stadium, and the crowds flocked to their home games.

Yeah, but unlike Adelaide United, Melbourne were filling their smaller stadium, turning people away on a regular basis. That showed that they had more fans than they could cater for at Olympic Park.

On the other hand Adelaide United have not sold out a game for two years. And average around the 12,000 mark. (excluding the Adelaide Oval game).

Of course, people will use the Adelaide Oval game as evidence that the crowds will turn up but it'll take more than one game to convince me. That game had novelty factor. Just watch, the more games they play at Adelaide Oval, the less the public will attend them.

Simply, Adelaide United have 12,000 or so regular fans who attend games. They just aren't going to all of a sudden aquire another 12,000-20,000 out of thin air. Sure, they might turn up here and there but anyone who says they aren't going to games but now but would go at a new stadium is full of it. That is the definition of fickle. And fickle fans don't stick around so no use counting on them.

As an Adelaide United member I dearly hope they don't ever move to a 45,000 seat stadium, or even a 30,000 seat stadium. We can see in Sydney how bad it looks and sounds when a 40,000 seat arena has only 15,000 people in it. I don't ever want that scenario in Adelaide. It's time to stop the idea that we need to put the cart before the horse and accept there is a lot of progress to be made before Adelaide United should even be thinking about moving to a bigger venue.

the old "chicken and egg" sitation

Wayno wrote:the old "chicken and egg" sitation

No it's not. It's the complete opposite. The fans need to be there first for a big stadium to be viable.

Tyler_Durden wrote:

Wayno wrote:the old "chicken and egg" sitation

No it's not. It's the complete opposite. The fans need to be there first for a big stadium to be viable.

egg and chicken?

Surely you could expect growth of 10-20% in regular attendance figures in the short term, with more coming later...

Tyler_Durden wrote:Yeah, but unlike Adelaide United, Melbourne were filling their smaller stadium, turning people away on a regular basis. That showed that they had more fans than they could cater for at Olympic Park.

On the other hand Adelaide United have not sold out a game for two years. And average around the 12,000 mark. (excluding the Adelaide Oval game).

Of course, people will use the Adelaide Oval game as evidence that the crowds will turn up but it'll take more than one game to convince me. That game had novelty factor. Just watch, the more games they play at Adelaide Oval, the less the public will attend them.

Simply, Adelaide United have 12,000 or so regular fans who attend games. They just aren't going to all of a sudden aquire another 12,000-20,000 out of thin air. Sure, they might turn up here and there but anyone who says they aren't going to games but now but would go at a new stadium is full of it. That is the definition of fickle. And fickle fans don't stick around so no use counting on them.

As an Adelaide United member I dearly hope they don't ever move to a 45,000 seat stadium, or even a 30,000 seat stadium. We can see in Sydney how bad it looks and sounds when a 40,000 seat arena has only 15,000 people in it. I don't ever want that scenario in Adelaide. It's time to stop the idea that we need to put the cart before the horse and accept there is a lot of progress to be made before Adelaide United should even be thinking about moving to a bigger venue.

Tyler, you are forgetting about the 2018 FIFA World Cup bid and attracting major international matches and other events such as open air concerts. If we don't build it they won't come. If Fontanarosa and United want a stadium let them build it and let's support them.

Cheers

Wayno wrote:

Tyler_Durden wrote:

Wayno wrote:the old "chicken and egg" sitation

No it's not. It's the complete opposite. The fans need to be there first for a big stadium to be viable.

egg and chicken?

Surely you could expect growth of 10-20% in regular attendance figures in the short term, with more coming later...

10%-20% growth? That's an additional 1000-2000. How does that kind of growth warrant a 45,000 seat arena? Hindmarsh can accomodate that kind of growth.

Ho Really wrote:Tyler, you are forgetting about the 2018 FIFA World Cup bid and attracting major international matches and other events such as open air concerts. If we don't build it they won't come.

The World Cup bid that we are yet to win and realistically have no chance of winning? International matches that will come along once every couple of years? Like those World Cup Qualifiers that Adelaide have hosted in recent years with crowds as small as 2,000 for Australia games despite players the calibre of Cahill, Breciano, Grella, Emerton, Kalac and others coming from Europe to play in them?

Adelaide missed out on World Cup Qualifiers this year not because of any stadium issue (FFA have said AAMI fits their needs) but because Adelaide's public continually fail to turn up, while the cities that are getting games this year such as Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne do draw crowds. It's as simple as that unforunately. Adelaide had their chance in 2004 and showed a lack of interest.

Ho Really wrote:If Fontanarosa and United want a stadium let them build it and let's support them.

I do support them. I do it by attending AUFC games pretty much every time they play at home. Can everyone here saying we need a new stadium say the same?

My opinion is that Adelaide cannot possibly support a independent sporting facility. It must be a multi use stadium with multiple sporting codes in mind for the most effective long term use. If AUFC went it alone it would stand more or less idle for more or less half the year. Financial russian roulette.

Talking about the placement of the stadium puts us in a bit of a bind. I do agree with certain aspects of having the hospital on Nth Tce, great central acess for all and the gov is looking to keep Nth Tce a cultural and educational hub. Seeing that the hospital would be a state of the art educational facility it does make sense. On the other hand it would be fantastic to have a stadium in the heart of the city. The government is not against a staddium being built, it is against sending $1billion of its (our) money to do so with so many other major projects on thier list. It would take the SANFL, AFL and AUFC to come together in a joint proposal and mega bucks for the government to take the issue seriously. What about this for a proposal with these other issues aside.

With the hospital staying where it is porposed(looks like it is set in concrete), why can a stadium not be built on the south links golf course on the corner of Morphett St and Memerial Dr. Memorial Dr would become a sporting bolouvard with riverfront frontage, sesational walkabe access to the city and pre exsisting facilities at Adelade oval and the tennis centre. A similar south bank stlye promanard can be develpoed. Tram and transport access could easily be upgraded and extended with an interchange (access to the railway station could be made possible from Morphett St bridge) A sporting acadamy (Afl and soccer) should also be incorporated to increase its viability outside game days. The north links golf course would be extended on land that is not taken up by the new facilities into a single course (at the moment split north and south), this would also cause a buffer of land between the stadium and Nth adelade residents. What other city has 2 golf courses on its doorstep? Talk about catering for the few. There would also be plenty of room along side the hospital for maybe a entertainment plaza or extention of the convention centre, whatever.

Its nice to be talking about such exciting changes that are now a real possibility for Adelaide. Lets not make it a us v them (hopital v stadium) debate and try to come up with innovative soulutions to a nice problem to have.

cheers

The Soccer stadium could be used for concerts as well

I'm an AUFC member as well and have been for a couple of years now. I definitely support Dario's stadium plan. AAMI doesn't fit within FIFA guidelines and I'm sure the FFA would always go for an interstate stadium over AAMI. Granted at the moment I think AUFC would find it difficult to get 30,000 at every home game, but they're planning for the future. If the stadium goes ahead it won't be finished for another 5 years in which time soccer may well be a lot more popular, particularly as we'll be bidding for the world cup, and possibly the Asian cup as well.

If you were AUFC, why would you limit your business to possible stagnation over the long term? It doesn't make business sense. You'd be looking instead to grow as much as possible in line with the FFA and using a European/Asian model as inspiration. I hope they can pull together the funding for this.

BenJ wrote:I'm an AUFC member as well and have been for a couple of years now. I definitely support Dario's stadium plan. AAMI doesn't fit within FIFA guidelines and I'm sure the FFA would always go for an interstate stadium over AAMI. Granted at the moment I think AUFC would find it difficult to get 30,000 at every home game, but they're planning for the future. If the stadium goes ahead it won't be finished for another 5 years in which time soccer may well be a lot more popular, particularly as we'll be bidding for the world cup, and possibly the Asian cup as well.

If you were AUFC, why would you limit your business to possible stagnation over the long term? It doesn't make business sense. You'd be looking instead to grow as much as possible in line with the FFA and using a European/Asian model as inspiration. I hope they can pull together the funding for this.

bingo! - good post BenJ. plan or perish...

also agree with Norman about concerts, etc...

mattblack wrote: Lets not make it a us v them (hopital v stadium) debate and try to come up with innovative soulutions to a nice problem to have.

Agree 100%. Someone's talking sense.

BenJ wrote:I'm an AUFC member as well and have been for a couple of years now. I definitely support Dario's stadium plan. AAMI doesn't fit within FIFA guidelines and I'm sure the FFA would always go for an interstate stadium over AAMI. Granted at the moment I think AUFC would find it difficult to get 30,000 at every home game, but they're planning for the future. If the stadium goes ahead it won't be finished for another 5 years in which time soccer may well be a lot more popular, particularly as we'll be bidding for the world cup, and possibly the Asian cup as well.

If you were AUFC, why would you limit your business to possible stagnation over the long term? It doesn't make business sense. You'd be looking instead to grow as much as possible in line with the FFA and using a European/Asian model as inspiration. I hope they can pull together the funding for this.

Hiya,

Well im just being a bit realistic. Id love to see a porpose built soccer stadium, having lived in London for 3 years and worked for West Ham United I am pretty partial to soccer (football). Im also a member of Port who get its 25,000 - 30,000 people per match but i cannot seriously expect Port to have a stadium unto themselves into the forseeable future. If AUFC can go into a powershare/profitshare situation with SANFL/AFL that includes all activities at the stadium including concerts and say over the next 5 years can show that it is a viable optoion then they should jump at the chance. The stadium that is proposed by the AUFC is still in a different location. Its also why a AFL/Soccer acadamy should be part of any future stadium to ensure that the grass roots of the game is sound.

Now that it looks like SA will be flush with funds for the first time in a generation I dont think that we should run before we can walk,remembering that at the moment we are only a city of just over 1 mllion. Im not saying slowly, slowly but just careful, careful.

Cheers

Wayno wrote:...also agree with Norman about concerts, etc...

Did you guys read my post earlier on? Open air in summer would be perfect. No need for air conditioning and other extra electricity expenses (besides those on stage). So if they plan it with that in mind and have all the extra facilities (extra restrooms, cafe/bars, restaurants, etc.) why should it not work.

Cheers