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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#361 Post by monotonehell » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:16 pm

Waewick wrote:...In summary, they want the government to do what they want, regardless of others.
No. They want the government to do the right thing, regarding others.

What the government have been doing is what ever they want, regardless of others.
By "others" I mean the Australian public. - Of the people, for the people.
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#362 Post by Waewick » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:57 pm

monotonehell wrote:
Waewick wrote:...In summary, they want the government to do what they want, regardless of others.
No. They want the government to do the right thing, regarding others.

What the government have been doing is what ever they want, regardless of others.
By "others" I mean the Australian public. - Of the people, for the people.
but others are happy with the Government?

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#363 Post by rhino » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:15 pm

Waewick wrote: but others are happy with the Government?
Seriously? I don't know any, even those who voted for them.
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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#364 Post by Waewick » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:33 am

rhino wrote:
Waewick wrote: but others are happy with the Government?
Seriously? I don't know any, even those who voted for them.
I don't have a problem with what they are doing, given it was pretty much exactly what they said they were going to do.

There are obviously things I don't agree with, but essentially as I see it, I knew what to expect.

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#365 Post by rhino » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:50 am

Waewick wrote:I don't have a problem with what they are doing, given it was pretty much exactly what they said they were going to do.
They said we had too much debt, then immediately increased the debt ceiling to way higher than anyone thought necessary.
They allowed the new port at Abbot Point to go ahead, and for the dredge spoil to be dumped on the Great Barrier Reef.
They are trying to repeal the World Heritage Listing for a huge slab of Tasmanian forest, which even the Forest Industry said it was happy to leave alone.
They refused funding for at least one major project that the previous government had already given the go-ahead to, without prior notification.
They went quiet on bad news, flatly refusing to talk about new asylum seeker arrivals more than once a week.
They said they would be there for small business, then sat back and said "The car industry has to look after itself", leaving all the components maker (small businesses) to go broke.
They wanted to do the same thing to Ardmona-SPC, even though that would be the death-knell for local growers (small businesses)

Was this all "pretty much exactly what they said they were going to do"?
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#366 Post by Waewick » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:38 am

you are using a lot of anyone and everyone statements there.
They said we had too much debt, then immediately increased the debt ceiling to way higher than anyone thought necessary.
To what Labor thought was unnecessary, eventually it was actually scrapped - it is a pointless ceiling in the first place and irrelevant to the argument that there was too much debt.
They allowed the new port at Abbot Point to go ahead, and for the dredge spoil to be dumped on the Great Barrier Reef.
It hasn't gone ahead.

They are trying to repeal the World Heritage Listing for a huge slab of Tasmanian forest, which even the Forest Industry said it was happy to leave alone.
The forestry industry were talking about the "peace deal" not access to Timber, hell some special timber participants are already keen to discuss changes.

Hitting up forestry is one that concerns me, and will happily review in time.


They refused funding for at least one major project that the previous government had already given the go-ahead to, without prior notification.
Which one?

They went quiet on bad news, flatly refusing to talk about new asylum seeker arrivals more than once a week.
They didn't go quiet, that was their strategy, the told us they would stop the boats. They had to stop them by any means given it was pretty much a core election strategy.

the whole Asylum seeker issue is also an uncomfortable one, but it has been so badly botched by both sides of politics that i'm fairly well happy just to see it not be talked about and used as a political football.

It is a bit sad that as a country we can't have a mature debate about it, but that seems to be an issue with everything.
They said they would be there for small business, then sat back and said "The car industry has to look after itself", leaving all the components maker (small businesses) to go broke.
removing large government subsidised business will be good for small business. Sure a small number of small businesses will be impacted but the vast majority of these have been planning on it for years.

I also might add, subsequent news has all but confirmed Holdens were always going and by extension, Toyota.

They wanted to do the same thing to Ardmona-SPC, even though that would be the death-knell for local growers (small businesses)
and what do you know, it is still there and being upgraded despite not pulling tax payer money to make an investment that a hugely profitable entity can do itself.

I might add, these large canneries have been the death knell of more growers than you would imagine, all through the country there are remnants of once profitable packaging houses which were bought from Co-Ops by the likes of Coke and the shut down because they were not profitable enough, which cost thousands of jobs in both the packing and canneries and growers.

no sympathy from me.

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#367 Post by Vee » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:38 pm

GST share.
Carve-up amongst the states.
Western Australia's share of the GST pie has been slashed to a record low.
The Commonwealth Grants Commission has allocated 4.2 per cent of GST revenue to the state.

It says WA's share has decreased because its capacity to raise money has risen to a record high, driven directly by mining and indirectly by state taxes.

New South Wales again received the biggest share of GST revenue, reaping more than 31 per cent of the pool.

Victoria received 22 per cent, Queensland received just under 22 per cent and South Australia has been granted 9.2 per cent.

The Northern Territory stands to get just under 6 per cent, Tasmania will get 3.6 per cent and the ACT is set to get 2.1 per cent.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-28/w ... ow/5352570

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#368 Post by Vee » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:17 am

Holden jobs almost gone, and with the demise of the car industry in Australia, a whole raft of car part suppliers.
Now jobs at the Australian Submarine Corporation (ASC) at risk?

Australia in talks to buy Japanese submarines to upgrade fleet.
http://www.news.com.au/national/austral ... 6877106007

Ominous for the future of the ASC and jobs in SA.
Alternative jobs? Re-training?
Innovative industries?

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#369 Post by Waewick » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:03 am

Vee wrote:Holden jobs almost gone, and with the demise of the car industry in Australia, a whole raft of car part suppliers.
Now jobs at the Australian Submarine Corporation (ASC) at risk?

Australia in talks to buy Japanese submarines to upgrade fleet.
http://www.news.com.au/national/austral ... 6877106007

Ominous for the future of the ASC and jobs in SA.
Alternative jobs? Re-training?
Innovative industries?
if we don't get the subs, we'll we are stuffed.

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#370 Post by metro » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:29 am

Waewick wrote:
Vee wrote:Holden jobs almost gone, and with the demise of the car industry in Australia, a whole raft of car part suppliers.
Now jobs at the Australian Submarine Corporation (ASC) at risk?

Australia in talks to buy Japanese submarines to upgrade fleet.
http://www.news.com.au/national/austral ... 6877106007

Ominous for the future of the ASC and jobs in SA.
Alternative jobs? Re-training?
Innovative industries?
if we don't get the subs, we'll we are stuffed.
More workers to be Liberated by the best friend of workers and the infrastructure Prime Minister!! :banana:

I suppose it serves us right for electing an 'illegitimate' Labor government (which has pretty much exactly the same numbers as the 'legitimate' Liberal government over in Victoria). :roll:

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#371 Post by Waewick » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:27 pm

metro wrote:
Waewick wrote:
Vee wrote:Holden jobs almost gone, and with the demise of the car industry in Australia, a whole raft of car part suppliers.
Now jobs at the Australian Submarine Corporation (ASC) at risk?

Australia in talks to buy Japanese submarines to upgrade fleet.
http://www.news.com.au/national/austral ... 6877106007

Ominous for the future of the ASC and jobs in SA.
Alternative jobs? Re-training?
Innovative industries?
if we don't get the subs, we'll we are stuffed.
More workers to be Liberated by the best friend of workers and the infrastructure Prime Minister!! :banana:

I suppose it serves us right for electing an 'illegitimate' Labor government (which has pretty much exactly the same numbers as the 'legitimate' Liberal government over in Victoria). :roll:
Well I look it at more of successive state labor government relying industries whose continuation is at the whims of others than creating a long term sustainable economy.

but each for their own I guess, but for me, the victim mentality is getting a bit rich.

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The Federal Politics Thread

#372 Post by Dog » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:25 pm

When you look at the raft of "free trade" deals Abbott has and is about to enter into, it's now obvious why they were so keen to sink the car industry so quickly. It's a bit hard to see what they can trade off next time. But then again we could still give away foreign media and airline ownership, and who knows those yanks or Japs would love to sell us subs rather than have us go to all the trouble of building our own.


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#373 Post by Waewick » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:20 am

Dog wrote:When you look at the raft of "free trade" deals Abbott has and is about to enter into, it's now obvious why they were so keen to sink the car industry so quickly. It's a bit hard to see what they can trade off next time. But then again we could still give away foreign media and airline ownership, and who knows those yanks or Japs would love to sell us subs rather than have us go to all the trouble of building our own.


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They haven't traded off the car industry, that was a zombie industry I think most people can see that now.

As for the FTA, the proof will be in the pudding, will the reduced tarrifs and increased quotas offset some of the other bits and pieces given by Aust?

I'm happy with the car part, bought a Outlander last time and will likely stick with the tri-diamond next time.

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#374 Post by Will » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:43 pm

I don't mean to start a partisan conflict, however I post this out of interest considering current affairs, such as the royal visit and recent changes by the government which re-introduced the sirs and dames to Australia:

http://youtu.be/gc96KVsTKtY

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Re: The Federal Politics Thread

#375 Post by Will » Tue May 13, 2014 8:11 pm

The following graphic from the ABC, sums up the Liberal's first budget:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-13/b ... rs/5433178

Plenty of pain for those that can least afford it.

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