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[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:22 pm
by ChillyPhilly
aceman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:10 pm
the issue for me is that there are no costings or final designs put forward for the remaining 'too hard basket' sections.
Darlington should be finished by the end of this year but I wouldn't be surprised if its early next year if we have a really wet winter. northern connector is on track for completion this year (correct me if I'm wrong)
other than a possible start on the pym st to superway section which is relatively small compared to other sections completed so far, this project will basically stop while we discuss how to finish it. the blame game will start and traffic will be reduced to one lane in each direction while they repair burst water mains. 183 years after this town was founded south rd in certain parts isn't that much better than the two way track used by horse and carts nearly 200 years ago.
I feel like moderately detailed plans for the remaining sections of the corridor do exist somewhere within the walls of DPTI - but they are imperfect, hence why we are yet to see them.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:06 am
by how good is he
I am pretty sure Marshall has committed to making a decision by the end of this year (after all the studies/ reports) on how the last section of South Rd will be finished (ie tunnels vs underpasses/overpasses etc).
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:33 am
by SBD
aceman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:10 pm
the issue for me is that there are no costings or final designs put forward for the remaining 'too hard basket' sections.
Darlington should be finished by the end of this year but I wouldn't be surprised if its early next year if we have a really wet winter. northern connector is on track for completion this year (correct me if I'm wrong)
other than a possible start on the pym st to superway section which is relatively small compared to other sections completed so far, this project will basically stop while we discuss how to finish it. the blame game will start and traffic will be reduced to one lane in each direction while they repair burst water mains. 183 years after this town was founded south rd in certain parts isn't that much better than the two way track used by horse and carts nearly 200 years ago.
Liberal and Labor seem to each be blaming the other for not having prepared the plans. In fact, neither party would be making the plans, that would be the public servants, contractors and consultants in DPTI who would keep working regardless of who their minister is on any given day. That says to me that the planning is either more complex or more expensive than can just be done as "business as usual". The business case might be political, but the actual plan should be getting done regardless.
The government would give some guidance, and in particular holds the purse strings for both the actual project and for the planning, which limits how many people can be involved and what they are able to do in any given timeframe.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:04 pm
by kenget
The April newsletter is now out..
Link to the DPTI Darlington project website...
https://dpti.sa.gov.au/infrastructure/n ... de_project
Link to Newsletter:
https://dpti.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pd ... v5_web.pdf
Still saying this will be complete this year.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:03 pm
by Patrick_27
Of course it will be, why wouldn't it be? all the bridges are pretty much complete. The only things that's left is to finish digging and surface the roads.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:05 pm
by rev
Our state Liberal government will in the lead up to the federal election, come out with their federal Liberal colleagues wanting your vote, and announce what they will do with the rest of South Road, and the funding break down, and they will show us concept images and artists renditions of what it will look like. If they get re-elected, then final designs will happen.
The state and federal Labor opposition will do the same thing.
They've both already announced a billion or so they will give for the remainder.
Our problem will be if Shorten who is even more incompetent then the Liberals, gets elected. Federal Labor wont be able to work with the incompetent state Liberals, the way that state Labor managed to keep the ball rolling with the federal Liberals on the NS corridor after fed/state Labor built the superway.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:09 pm
by Vasco
rev wrote:Our state Liberal government will in the lead up to the federal election, come out with their federal Liberal colleagues wanting your vote, and announce what they will do with the rest of South Road, and the funding break down, and they will show us concept images and artists renditions of what it will look like. If they get re-elected, then final designs will happen.
The state and federal Labor opposition will do the same thing.
They've both already announced a billion or so they will give for the remainder.
Our problem will be if Shorten who is even more incompetent then the Liberals, gets elected. Federal Labor wont be able to work with the incompetent state Liberals, the way that state Labor managed to keep the ball rolling with the federal Liberals on the NS corridor after fed/state Labor built the superway.
One would think Anthony Albanese (as likely Infrastructure Minister) would be more than competent to be effective.
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[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 pm
by kenget
Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:03 pm
Of course it will be, why wouldn't it be? all the bridges are pretty much complete. The only things that's left is to finish digging and surface the roads.
What has me concerned is how northbound traffic around the Ayliffes Rd intersection has not taken the new alignment and they still have to dig all that out.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:24 pm
by aceman
the new alignment can't be too far away from what I saw today, I think they've started putting bitumen down between monroes and Mitsubishi head office.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:04 pm
by SBD
rev wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:05 pm
Our state Liberal government will in the lead up to the federal election, come out with their federal Liberal colleagues wanting your vote, and announce what they will do with the rest of South Road, and the funding break down, and they will show us concept images and artists renditions of what it will look like. If they get re-elected, then final designs will happen.
The state and federal Labor opposition will do the same thing.
They've both already announced a billion or so they will give for the remainder.
Our problem will be if Shorten who is even more incompetent then the Liberals, gets elected. Federal Labor wont be able to work with the incompetent state Liberals, the way that state Labor managed to keep the ball rolling with the federal Liberals on the NS corridor after fed/state Labor built the superway.
It seems like at the government level, everybody agrees it should happen and they will help fund it if they are in government at the key time. So it really shouldn't matter what party name is on the door, when the ministers throw money at DPTI and say "get it done".
You say State Liberal is incompetent - is that because they are also trying to do key infrastructure past Gawler/Toll Gate? Things like grade separation near Port Wakefield, duplicating the Joy Baluch Bridge, sealing the Strzelecki Track, etc?
...and everyone has allowed GWR to run down country rail, so the Sturt Highway and roads on Eyre Peninsula are going to need more work for the increased grain freight. I wonder if there is any way to make GWR and Viterra pay for the road upgrades...
[U/C] Re: [U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:06 pm
by Norman
kenget wrote:Patrick_27 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:03 pm
Of course it will be, why wouldn't it be? all the bridges are pretty much complete. The only things that's left is to finish digging and surface the roads.
What has me concerned is how northbound traffic around the Ayliffes Rd intersection has not taken the new alignment and they still have to dig all that out.
I believe that section of the motorway near Monroe's won't be that deep, it will be closer to ground level. There won't be a lot of digging required.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:03 am
by rev
SBD wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:04 pm
rev wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:05 pm
Our state Liberal government will in the lead up to the federal election, come out with their federal Liberal colleagues wanting your vote, and announce what they will do with the rest of South Road, and the funding break down, and they will show us concept images and artists renditions of what it will look like. If they get re-elected, then final designs will happen.
The state and federal Labor opposition will do the same thing.
They've both already announced a billion or so they will give for the remainder.
Our problem will be if Shorten who is even more incompetent then the Liberals, gets elected. Federal Labor wont be able to work with the incompetent state Liberals, the way that state Labor managed to keep the ball rolling with the federal Liberals on the NS corridor after fed/state Labor built the superway.
It seems like at the government level, everybody agrees it should happen and they will help fund it if they are in government at the key time. So it really shouldn't matter what party name is on the door, when the ministers throw money at DPTI and say "get it done".
You say State Liberal is incompetent - is that because they are also trying to do key infrastructure past Gawler/Toll Gate? Things like grade separation near Port Wakefield, duplicating the Joy Baluch Bridge, sealing the Strzelecki Track, etc?
...and everyone has allowed GWR to run down country rail, so the Sturt Highway and roads on Eyre Peninsula are going to need more work for the increased grain freight. I wonder if there is any way to make GWR and Viterra pay for the road upgrades...
Its election time, they will say many things and promise much more, but just because they promised something or said something would happen if you elect them doesnt mean it's true.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:22 am
by gnrc_louis
SBD wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:04 pm
You say State Liberal is incompetent - is that because they are also trying to do key infrastructure past Gawler/Toll Gate? Things like grade separation near Port Wakefield, duplicating the Joy Baluch Bridge, sealing the Strzelecki Track, etc?
The previous Government (and probably the one prior to that) spoke of sealing the Strzelecki Track too. It would cost in the region of $450 million. I can't see it happening in the near future.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:33 pm
by rev
Trees were being planted today around Torrens Road.
[U/C] Re: North-South Motorway
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:20 pm
by aceman
lots of bitumen has gone down in the trench near flinders medical centre and uni. also can't be too far away from a northbound traffic switch under the ayliffes rd overpass.