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LanewayMapper wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:00 pm

rubberman wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:38 am

The Scooter Guy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:40 pm

Magic Mirror on the wall, when will the new extension be open to all?

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Cue to endless loop of "Time Passages by Al Stewart" in the background

I've heard from people in the know that the odds are looking better for services commencing before the end of the year rather than in the new year.

aaronjameslange wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:04 pm

The original brocure had stated that trams would be operational by 'late first quarter 2018'
Lets hope its late 2018 and not first quarter 2019

Eurostar wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:17 am

aaronjameslange wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:04 pm

The original brocure had stated that trams would be operational by 'late first quarter 2018'
Lets hope its late 2018 and not first quarter 2019

I can't remember the extension from Victoria Square to Lion Arts Centre having any issues, what's changed ?

claybro wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:50 am

Eurostar wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:17 am

aaronjameslange wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:04 pm

The original brocure had stated that trams would be operational by 'late first quarter 2018'
Lets hope its late 2018 and not first quarter 2019

I can't remember the extension from Victoria Square to Lion Arts Centre having any issues, what's changed ?

Personnel in the DPTI. Remembering when Vic Sq to North Terrace was constructed it was not competing with simultaneous Gold Coast, Sydney and Canberra light rail projects. It would seem there is not the expertise to go around, and Adelaide tiny little extension is no match for the employment prospects of the much larger projects interstate. That is why it would have been prudent for the former government to set up a pipeline of tram construction ongoing, instead of the isolated piece by piece extensions, so those experts and consultants were less likely to be poached.

rev wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:46 pm

claybro wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:50 am

Eurostar wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:17 am

I can't remember the extension from Victoria Square to Lion Arts Centre having any issues, what's changed ?

Personnel in the DPTI. Remembering when Vic Sq to North Terrace was constructed it was not competing with simultaneous Gold Coast, Sydney and Canberra light rail projects. It would seem there is not the expertise to go around, and Adelaide tiny little extension is no match for the employment prospects of the much larger projects interstate. That is why it would have been prudent for the former government to set up a pipeline of tram construction ongoing, instead of the isolated piece by piece extensions, so those experts and consultants were less likely to be poached.

Have they started the build in Parramatta yet? Stage One is just over 12km in length...compare that to our pitiful little extensions every now and then.
How long have many of us on here been saying they should have just bit the bullet and done massive extensions? Now we have the Liberals in government, which was inevitable after so long of Labor being in government...and now any likelihood of further extensions are basically zilch. Although some on here will still kid them selves that Marshall and Lucas will do more extensions.

rubberman wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:59 pm

rev wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:46 pm

claybro wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:50 am

Personnel in the DPTI. Remembering when Vic Sq to North Terrace was constructed it was not competing with simultaneous Gold Coast, Sydney and Canberra light rail projects. It would seem there is not the expertise to go around, and Adelaide tiny little extension is no match for the employment prospects of the much larger projects interstate. That is why it would have been prudent for the former government to set up a pipeline of tram construction ongoing, instead of the isolated piece by piece extensions, so those experts and consultants were less likely to be poached.

Have they started the build in Parramatta yet? Stage One is just over 12km in length...compare that to our pitiful little extensions every now and then.
How long have many of us on here been saying they should have just bit the bullet and done massive extensions? Now we have the Liberals in government, which was inevitable after so long of Labor being in government...and now any likelihood of further extensions are basically zilch. Although some on here will still kid them selves that Marshall and Lucas will do more extensions.

Those other states have more money. SA lost about $4.5bn in the State Bank disaster, and about $2bn so far from the privatisation of ETSA...and that is ongoing.

That $6.5bn, so far, would have funded a modest tram system, suburban and regional road upgrades and a city loop. The whole point of loss is that you simply can't plough on and spend as if it doesn't exist. Other states can do the things they have, because they didn't blow the money.

claybro wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:34 pm

rubberman wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:59 pm

rev wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:46 pm

Have they started the build in Parramatta yet? Stage One is just over 12km in length...compare that to our pitiful little extensions every now and then.
How long have many of us on here been saying they should have just bit the bullet and done massive extensions? Now we have the Liberals in government, which was inevitable after so long of Labor being in government...and now any likelihood of further extensions are basically zilch. Although some on here will still kid them selves that Marshall and Lucas will do more extensions.

Those other states have more money. SA lost about $4.5bn in the State Bank disaster, and about $2bn so far from the privatisation of ETSA...and that is ongoing.

That $6.5bn, so far, would have funded a modest tram system, suburban and regional road upgrades and a city loop. The whole point of loss is that you simply can't plough on and spend as if it doesn't exist. Other states can do the things they have, because they didn't blow the money.

It would not have been necessary to fund the whole system upfront. It has taken about what, 18 months for each extension? If the former government had kept funds rolling at about 50 million per year (not an insurmountable sum in the scheme of things) and followed on the Hindmarsh extension immediately after North Terrace West, then commenced immediately the East end extension, and had already commenced the Section to Adelaide Oval/ North Adelaide, etc then the momentum and expertise would have been maintained (or accelerated), and costs most probably reduced due to the increased scale. Federal funding would also have been more likely as is evident from the other states whos rail projects have also received Federal funding even when not strictly economically stacking up.

rubberman wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:59 pm

rev wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:46 pm

claybro wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:50 am

Personnel in the DPTI. Remembering when Vic Sq to North Terrace was constructed it was not competing with simultaneous Gold Coast, Sydney and Canberra light rail projects. It would seem there is not the expertise to go around, and Adelaide tiny little extension is no match for the employment prospects of the much larger projects interstate. That is why it would have been prudent for the former government to set up a pipeline of tram construction ongoing, instead of the isolated piece by piece extensions, so those experts and consultants were less likely to be poached.

Have they started the build in Parramatta yet? Stage One is just over 12km in length...compare that to our pitiful little extensions every now and then.
How long have many of us on here been saying they should have just bit the bullet and done massive extensions? Now we have the Liberals in government, which was inevitable after so long of Labor being in government...and now any likelihood of further extensions are basically zilch. Although some on here will still kid them selves that Marshall and Lucas will do more extensions.

Those other states have more money. SA lost about $4.5bn in the State Bank disaster, and about $2bn so far from the privatization of ETSA...and that is ongoing.

That $6.5bn, so far, would have funded a modest tram system, suburban and regional road upgrades and a city loop. The whole point of loss is that you simply can't plough on and spend as if it doesn't exist. Other states can do the things they have, because they didn't blow the money.

rev wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:33 pm

rubberman wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:59 pm

rev wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:46 pm

Have they started the build in Parramatta yet? Stage One is just over 12km in length...compare that to our pitiful little extensions every now and then.
How long have many of us on here been saying they should have just bit the bullet and done massive extensions? Now we have the Liberals in government, which was inevitable after so long of Labor being in government...and now any likelihood of further extensions are basically zilch. Although some on here will still kid them selves that Marshall and Lucas will do more extensions.

Those other states have more money. SA lost about $4.5bn in the State Bank disaster, and about $2bn so far from the privatization of ETSA...and that is ongoing.

That $6.5bn, so far, would have funded a modest tram system, suburban and regional road upgrades and a city loop. The whole point of loss is that you simply can't plough on and spend as if it doesn't exist. Other states can do the things they have, because they didn't blow the money.

That was nearly 30 years ago. When will it cease being used as an excuse for why this state is lagging so far behind the rest of the major states/capitals?

The state government lost money due to privatization? That would surely be a first..usually privatization of state assets and utilities ends in a one off increase in revenue, usually in the billions. But you reckon we apparently lost money? Hmm.

Other states are undertaking the major infrastructure projects they are by utilizing the funds from privatization(if there's anything left to privatize), or by borrowing the money. It's how our western world works. Credit/Debt. Victoria is proposing a $50 billion rail loop through the suburbs bypassing the CBD. Most of that will be borrowed money, if not all of it.

We had those massively blown out of proportion traffic delays, we now have these huge issues with when it's going to be open, when its' going to be safe for the public to use, and the cost blow outs. And when it's all done and dusted, for what...? That little extension..
Sure they're having issues in NSW too. But at least when it's all sorted out there, they'll have something substantial built.

Dear Stakeholder

Thank you for your interest in the City Tram Extension Project. We write to notify you of upcoming kerb works in front of Ayres House, on North Terrace, as part of the City Tram Extension.

Day and night works will commence on Sunday, 7 October 2018 and are expected to be completed within a week, weather permitting. There will be no works on Friday or Saturday (5-6 October).

Lane and speed restrictions will be in place in the vicinity of the works. Two lanes will be maintained for west bound traffic in front of Ayres House. A 40km/h speed restriction will be in place whilst works are undertaken. Signage and traffic management will advise motorists of changed conditions.

Access to businesses and properties will be maintained.

Thank you for your continued interest in the City Tram Extension Project. For more information on the City Tram Extension Project please visit www.citytramextension.sa.gov.au, call the enquiry line on 1300 030 919 or email [email protected].

Regards

Stakeholder and Community Engagement Team

timtam20292 wrote:

Dear Stakeholder

Thank you for your interest in the City Tram Extension Project. We write to notify you of upcoming kerb works in front of Ayres House, on North Terrace, as part of the City Tram Extension.

Day and night works will commence on Sunday, 7 October 2018 and are expected to be completed within a week, weather permitting. There will be no works on Friday or Saturday (5-6 October).

Lane and speed restrictions will be in place in the vicinity of the works. Two lanes will be maintained for west bound traffic in front of Ayres House. A 40km/h speed restriction will be in place whilst works are undertaken. Signage and traffic management will advise motorists of changed conditions.

Access to businesses and properties will be maintained.

Thank you for your continued interest in the City Tram Extension Project. For more information on the City Tram Extension Project please visit www.citytramextension.sa.gov.au, call the enquiry line on 1300 030 919 or email [email protected].

Regards

Stakeholder and Community Engagement Team

citywatcher wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:57 pm

timtam20292 wrote:

Dear Stakeholder

Thank you for your interest in the City Tram Extension Project. We write to notify you of upcoming kerb works in front of Ayres House, on North Terrace, as part of the City Tram Extension.

Day and night works will commence on Sunday, 7 October 2018 and are expected to be completed within a week, weather permitting. There will be no works on Friday or Saturday (5-6 October).

Lane and speed restrictions will be in place in the vicinity of the works. Two lanes will be maintained for west bound traffic in front of Ayres House. A 40km/h speed restriction will be in place whilst works are undertaken. Signage and traffic management will advise motorists of changed conditions.

Access to businesses and properties will be maintained.

Thank you for your continued interest in the City Tram Extension Project. For more information on the City Tram Extension Project please visit www.citytramextension.sa.gov.au, call the enquiry line on 1300 030 919 or email [email protected].

Regards

Stakeholder and Community Engagement Team

Didn't they already do the kerbing along there a year ago

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FOI documents reveal the complexities right-hand tram turn could face

A RIGHT-hand tram turn onto North Tce from King William St requires a number of planning compromises to achieve a functional design because of the existing complexity of the intersection, Freedom of Information documents reveal.

The documents, from a request by Labor’s transport spokesman Tom Koutsantonis, outline just how complex the $37 million project — a Liberal pre-election promise — will be through hundreds of pages of DPTI correspondence and even a presentation from lead designer Aurecon.

They also reveal an engineering report into the proposed turn was completed on September 30 — prompting Mr Koutsantonis to call on Transport Minister Stephan Knoll to release the full advice.

The study by Aurecon’s investigated three “configuration options” to install a right-hand turn onto North Tce to serve the East End tram extension, which has missed numerous deadlines and still doesn’t have a start date.

They were, adding a right-hand turn to the existing track and road geometry, lowering the rail relative to the existing road level to achieve the appropriate geometry or elevating the rail.

In a presentation to DPTI, Aurecon says because of the mirroring of the existing left hand turn from North Tce to King William St, just adding another right-turn would encounter numerous challenges.

But the designer says even adding a second track will be difficult.

“The requirement to assess the viability of adding a second track to the North Terrace (East) to King William Street manoeuvre, connecting the southern and eastern legs adds a significant degree of complexity to what is already an extremely complex piece of rail geometry,” the documents say.

“The requirement to have intersecting sections of track be planar (on a flat surface) means that the addition of this second turning track will require a number of compromises to be made in order to achieve a functional design.”

Part of the complexities around the project include a potential retaining wall outside Parliament House.

Mr Knoll said the Government would consider the report.

“We always knew this would be a technically difficult project to deliver,” he said.

“That’s why we’ve commissioned this engineering report and once we’ve considered the report we’ll be in a better position to talk about how we’ll deliver the right hand turn.”

Mr Koutsantonis said Mr Knoll owed it to taxpayers to release the engineering report immediately, especially since it contained how much it would cost to dig up the King William St intersection.

“We now know that Minister Stephan Knoll has received an engineering report into the tram right-hand turn, including how much it will cost to dig up the intersection of King William and North Terrace and how engineers plan to address the significant issues associated with the project,” he said.

“The Minister must immediately release this report in full.

“After continually failing to deliver on the opening of the new tram extension, the least the Minister can do is release this report, tell us exactly how much a right-hand turn will cost taxpayers, and when he plans to deliver this Liberal election promise.”

Emails from DPTI also reveal that the department has told Aurecon that bus operations will not change if a right-hand turn is implemented.

The documents also reveal that the Adelaide City Council has proposed to modify the high entry left turn at the north eastern corner of the intersection.