News & Discussion: Adelaide City Council

[crawf]

One thing I would like to see is a large billboard placed on the northern wall of the 'black' Westpac building on the cnr of King William & Grenfell Street. Its in the perfect location for one, and it would get alot of exposure especially from the Rundle Mall intersection and western side of King William St etc..

Or the owners at least give it a paint job like they did with the rest of the building.

[Shuz]

Wayno, I don't know whether I'm right or wrong, but aren't the AAL and CASA two different entities, with yet another set of regulations on flight trajectories (and respective limitations) over building clusters?

As far as I'm aware, the ACC has their development guidelines with a maximum height limit of 103m to roof [118m to architectural feature] the AAL has transitionary development guidlines with a maximum height limit of 152.5m, and CASA has a flat-rate guideline nationally for developments exceeding 300m.

Basically, the latter of entities, as I understand it, has the ability to overrule the previous guideline if approved - but requires unanimous development approval by all 3 (or otherwise) entities for a development to proceed.

Could be wrong for all I know, but from what I believe, makes sense?

[Wayno]

Wayno, I don't know whether I'm right or wrong, but aren't the AAL and CASA two different entities, with yet another set of regulations on flight trajectories (and respective limitations) over building clusters?

As far as I'm aware, the ACC has their development guidelines with a maximum height limit of 103m to roof [118m to architectural feature] the AAL has transitionary development guidlines with a maximum height limit of 152.5m, and CASA has a flat-rate guideline nationally for developments exceeding 300m.

Basically, the latter of entities, as I understand it, has the ability to overrule the previous guideline if approved - but requires unanimous development approval by all 3 (or otherwise) entities for a development to proceed.

Could be wrong for all I know, but from what I believe, makes sense?

yep, that's why i'm asking Clr Yarwood if the ACC already has factual data that clearly describes the entire situation. Let's avoid discussing based on if's, but's and maybe's for the moment.

[Clr Yarwood]

I have mountains on briefings on all sorts of issue but this has not been raised as yet...I do know ACC won a Planning Institute of Australia Award last year regarding the airport and building heights work and I will chase up when I can…

[Clr Yarwood]

Clr Yarwood, can I just please heavily emphasise on an important point.

I am a serious advocate of any further tram extension wherever it may go, but may I just highlight that when dealing with West Terrace, we are talking about one of Adelaide's major traffic corridors.

Noted and agreed...Keep in mind the route will be prepared by the State Government engineers (with substantial political input) and that at the end of the day Council will have about as much say as Sensational Adelaide!

That does not stop us having an opinion - just that what any of us think (including me and any support I can get) is almost irrelevant...sad as I think the community SHOULD have a say in the future of the public transport system!

I think if there is no substantial public transport initiatives in this years budget the State Government will cop it hard…and they should!

[joshzxzx]

This may be a silly question in regards to the height limit on our CBD. It seems that the ACC blames the height restrictions on the flight path to the Adelaide airport. How hard would it be to change the angle of the landing strip maybe 1-5 degrees? so it does not impose a "Supposed" danger to the city. This way the ACC would NOT be able to blame anyone bar themselfs as there would only be the other restrictions mentioned in other posts limiting the constraction of something exciting.

[skyliner]

Clr Yarwood, can I just please heavily emphasise on an important point.

I am a serious advocate of any further tram extension wherever it may go, but may I just highlight that when dealing with West Terrace, we are talking about one of Adelaide's major traffic corridors.

Noted and agreed...Keep in mind the route will be prepared by the State Government engineers (with substantial political input) and that at the end of the day Council will have about as much say as Sensational Adelaide!

That does not stop us having an opinion - just that what any of us think (including me and any support I can get) is almost irrelevant...sad as I think the community SHOULD have a say in the future of the public transport system!

I think if there is no substantial public transport initiatives in this years budget the State Government will cop it hard…and they should!

I also am a strong supporter of tram extensions in Adelaide. The comment about West Tce made above still makes it better than Gray St which I remember seeing as a N-S option on the west side of the CBD (in earlier proposals). How much land would have to be resumed for a double track and still allow two way traffic? How long would the land take to acquire and at what additional expense?

IMO the only feasable route re traffic, and which would give closer access to more possible users is a Morphett St loop from Nth Tce to Gouger./Grote St and back to VSQ. It is wide enough not to cause the Gray St issues and is away from the major arterial route of West Tce.

Also, input much appreciated Clr Yarwood.Looking forward to more.

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[Wayno]

This may be a silly question in regards to the height limit on our CBD. It seems that the ACC blames the height restrictions on the flight path to the Adelaide airport. How hard would it be to change the angle of the landing strip maybe 1-5 degrees? so it does not impose a "Supposed" danger to the city. This way the ACC would NOT be able to blame anyone bar themselfs as there would only be the other restrictions mentioned in other posts limiting the constraction of something exciting.

Hi guys, this thread is to hear about (or ask for) news from the ACC. Let's please not discuss ideas/concerns about flight paths and building heights.

Instead please place your thoughts/comments in the "Proposal to Lift CBD Height Restrictions Defeated " thread in the "CBD Construction" forum. joshzxzx, your suggestion, and many others have been made there before.

[Ho Really]

The idea of a City of Adelaide Museum is a fantastic one. There are similar museums in Sydney and Melbourne, and they are fantastic attractions which are very popular with tourists (I don't have actual figures, just my opinion based on the amount of people I saw when I visited).

Such a museum should be in a prominent location. The mistake made with the National Wine Centre MUST NOT be repeated! It should preferably located in Victoria Square. I would strongly encourage the ACC to convince the Carnegie Mellon University to vacate the Torrens Building. The Torrens Building is the perfect location for such a museum!

Will, I agree, the Torrens Building should be some kind of museum and gallery regarding the city of Adelaide. Would be nice if Carnegie Mellon University moved into one of the many new developments in the CBD (preferably close to public transport, student accommodation and eateries).

Cheers

[Shuz]

The idea of a City of Adelaide Museum is a fantastic one. There are similar museums in Sydney and Melbourne, and they are fantastic attractions which are very popular with tourists (I don't have actual figures, just my opinion based on the amount of people I saw when I visited).

Such a museum should be in a prominent location. The mistake made with the National Wine Centre MUST NOT be repeated! It should preferably located in Victoria Square. I would strongly encourage the ACC to convince the Carnegie Mellon University to vacate the Torrens Building. The Torrens Building is the perfect location for such a museum!

Will, I agree, the Torrens Building should be some kind of museum and gallery regarding the city of Adelaide. Would be nice if Carnegie Mellon University moved into one of the many new developments in the CBD (preferably close to public transport, student accommodation and eateries).

Cheers

I agree too. And come to think of it, the Yorke Commercial Campus proposal could easily accomodate the university's needs, being in 'campus' fashion and all. Its close to Hutt Street, has a student apartment block within the development. PT would be the only bugger for the moment, but hey, a nice little tramline would fix all that up.

[crawf]

Theres actually already a few bus routes that go down Pulteney Street, and if the uni did move there (which is not a bad idea btw) the government would have to introduce my buses to the campus.

A tramline would be good aswell

The City of Adelaide museum idea sounds good, though I would rather see Adelaide get a aquarium or a interactive science centre which would be great for students, visitors and of course locals.

[BenJ]

What's ironic is that the science investigator centre we used to have at Wayville was turned into some brand of evangelical church with the words 'Truth Love & Hope' on the outside...

Sort of like the government in one fell swoop closing down the Orange Lane markets on the Parade and replacing them with a Centrelink... it's time for you hippies to get real jobs! Harsh, very harsh.

[mattblack]

Clr Yarwood,

I see that a council carpark review is one of the key items that you want to bring up on the agenda for the draft budget. Can i bring up the point that you should also look at motorbike parking. There is a major lack of parking within the CBD and this can easily and cheaply be attended to if the council is serious about finding alternatives to the car.

I am a lecturer at TAFE SA Adelaide campus and the ridiculously small allocated space on Currie st is ALWAYS packed out by early morning. I have had many coments regarding the lack of space available from both student and other teachers. Can I suggest removing half of the council carparks on Rosina St and reserving this space for bikes and scooters. This would free up Currie st a little plus provide space and incentive for all who wish to ride in. You may only need to remove 6-8 car spaces to do this.

Similar problems occur all over the city as motor bikes and scooters are becoming more and more popular. I would be great to have reserved spaces undercover in some of your U-Parks, free of course. A designated zone along side the lifts in the central market would be a great incentive, once again only aliviating 6-8 parking spots and being able to fit in 20 bikes. At least have a look at expanding the zones you already have.

Cheers

[AtD]

In Victoria, motorbikes and scooters are allowed to park on the footpath.

I agree with matt. After all, a motorbike has lower emissions than any car.

[monotonehell]

In Victoria, motorbikes and scooters are allowed to park on the footpath.

What an extreemly poor situation. It's a FOOTpath not a motorbike-park.